Poppy needs serious manacosts CUTING.

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IS1cf9d4c218a71e43afee7

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01-04-2013

Poppy Mana pool:
215 / 725 mana at 1 lvl and 18 lvl
6.85 / 14.5 mana regen per 5 sec at 1 lvl and 18 lvl
Costs:
Q - 55 man
W - 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90 mana
E - 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 / 80 mana
Ult - 100 mana
Total costs : 325 mana for combo

Comparing her to Kha`zix
Khazix mana pool and costs:
300 / 980 mana ata 1 and 18 lvl
7.25 / 15.75 mana regen per 5 sec at 1 and 18 lvl
Costs:
Q - 25 mana
W - 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 mana
E - 50 mana
Ult - 100 mana
Total costs : 275 for combo

That manapool balance is that pathetic, kha needs only 1/2 of mana to hes spamable Q compare to poppies Q. He haves more mana and hes combo needs less.
Poppy needs a serious mana costs cutting if we want to make her viable. Sure i can invest in manaregen items, but why khazix doesnt? This makes her weaker than others, that she can`t do a job without something which increase her manapool.
Thats all about poppy balance, thanks.


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Calimaestro

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01-04-2013

STOP comparing champions god damnit. I'm tired of you GD.

"Why can't anivia be manaless?! Katarina uses no mana and does huge damage! Nerf or please me riot!"


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IS1cf9d4c218a71e43afee7

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01-04-2013

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Originally Posted by LucienBloodmoor View Post
STOP comparing champions god damnit. I'm tired of you GD.
"Why can't anivia be manaless?! Katarina uses no mana and does huge damage! Nerf or please me riot!"
Btw katarina
Because manapool balance in that game sux as hell.
Older champs haves too big costs comparing to mana which they have, and a new one doesn`t have that many problems with mana.

And this is all right with it? Really?
Try to play poppy at ranked and stop writing sh it ass hole, she HAVES giant manapool problems.


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Togekiss24

Senior Member

01-04-2013

I'm sure Gangplank, Cho'Gath, and Nasus are in the same boat as far as mana problems, except no one notices because they get mana items like they are supposed to.

Also, Poppy is mainly weak against others on the basis that she has no inherent sustain, difficulty in harassing extremely mobile champions, and terrible lane control capabilities, not so much the mana.


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Nea De Penserhir

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01-04-2013

One champion is completely capable of diving a team, destroying the carry, moving on to the next target, destroy them, and walk away.

The other one is a bug.


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ParasiteQt

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01-04-2013

don't spam your abilities then, as a constant poppy player... yes, her mana sucks.. but deal with


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AWildRaticate

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01-04-2013

Her mana costs are NOT problematic at all. She has very low costs, but also a small mana pool. Here's a tip: buy a freaking mana item. Just, like, any of them. A blue crystal is 400g and it doubles your mana pool early game. Sheen and Iceborn Gauntlet will give you enough mana to do everything forever.


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Syl

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01-04-2013

Maybe you spam her 4 second cooldown Q too much?


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Mohrb

Senior Member

01-05-2013

Still ... 70 mana to activate her move speed boost is a bit much. Once she gets ice gauntlet, manamune, some crit, and defensive items... yes... she's competitive... but VERY item dependant with no good way to farm, and very easily poked with no sustain.


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alfavhunter

Senior Member

01-05-2013

poppy goes oom at level 1 with using Q (her cheapest spell) 4 times, agt level 2, she can use it 5 times from full to oom, and this IS calculating in mana regen

her Q could probably go to 45 mana at lower levels or at all levels, and her W and E NEED to cost less at lower levels, poppy has decent health sustain becuase of her passive for trades, but that doesnt mean anythign for her if she goes oom in 1-2 trades ifshe has to use anythign other than her Q

idealing, reducing the lower level manacosts by ~10 on her W and E, and making Q cost 45 at all ranks would make her MUCH more viable, because currently she is not viable at all, she has to much mana issues to go with her horrable early game, that is her issue atm, mana costs and farming capability, and the farming capability is 'acceptable' atm because she can carry very hard with having just 2-3 items, but combined with ungodly horrable mana pool effectivness makes her to weak to do anything in viable play other than feed through basically lettign the enemy free farm

she doesnt need huge mana cutting, but she does need an update on her mana costs, because they have not changed since she was released, quite some time ago