Laners: the S3 Jungle is not the S2 jungle.

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sdjaks

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01-03-2013

Stop treating it like it is. You cannot expect constant ganks as nearly all junglers leave the jungle with lower health than in S2, and our machete/spirit stone (which need to be purchased first and foremost) do not contribute to PVP fights. Constant ganks (even successful ones) also cause the jungler to get behind. If I come to your lane and we don't kill the target successfully, I need to stick around for a few minion deaths so that I can stay evenly leveled. I am not here to take your gold, so stop spamming the retreat ping.

Bottom ganks are nearly impossible now that virtually everyone with half a brain keeps a ward down there, in river and tribrush.. I keep timers on wards to know when it's possible to gank, but with Sightstone in the game it's basically 100% uptime on wards. It's completely and totally bizarro that pushing bottom is now viable (so that I can run up the brush and lane gank), and even then, I have to wait around for 45-60 seconds while the enemy pushes back before I can make a single move.

TLDR: Sightstone combined with the difficulty (read: low health when leaving, low gold and low xp after first clear) of S3 jungle has made ganks extremely risky. Junglers cannot afford pink wards/oracles that early, especially now that it has a 5 min duration. Stop expecting junglers to babysit and win/ward your lane for you.


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Voidgolem

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01-03-2013

+1.

also stop stealing my damn wraiths.


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Yoruichi

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01-03-2013

Play stronger junglers.


Those are my wraiths. Go gank something.


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Riffenstein

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01-03-2013

Lost lane in under 6 minutes...blame jungler!


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Super Saiyan

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01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by Yoruichi View Post
Play stronger junglers.


Those are my wraiths. Go gank something.
Maybe when you start winning your lane.


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Yoruichi

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01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by Snufulufugus View Post
Maybe when you start winning your lane.
I do win my lane. Why do you think I can take my wraiths constantly? It's not cause I'm getting beat down under my tower. Like I said, go gank something.


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FeenicksDown

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01-03-2013

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I do win my lane. Why do you think I can take my wraiths constantly? It's not cause I'm getting beat down under my tower. Like I said, go gank something.
If you aren't getting beat down at tower/pushing then you should go gank

Roaming mid OP

You never lose a game because your teammates aren't contributing, you lose them because you don't contribute, regardless of how your team is doing.


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bliu23

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01-03-2013

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I do win my lane. Why do you think I can take my wraiths constantly? It's not cause I'm getting beat down under my tower. Like I said, go gank something.
To be fair, double golems are really strong. It's easiest to take wraith/wolves, then gank, rather than getting doubles. Doubles mean I have to gank bot (or top) because of their placement, and it requires a smite or a loooot of damage dealt to you.


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sdjaks

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01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by Yoruichi View Post
Play stronger junglers.


Those are my wraiths. Go gank something.
And this is a perfect example of people thinking the S3 jungle is the same as S2. You get 2 minion kills worth of gold off wraiths. TWO. Your jungler is hurting for gold/xp and all people will do is ***** about how they aren't ganking enough.


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amoenotep

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01-03-2013

jungled the other day..my mid took my wraiths AND my wolves constantly.


really...do i get no jungle anymore?


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