Muramana OP

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Dunehawk

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12-30-2012

So I went ahead and tested the difference between muramana and the seraph's embrace on ryze.

As it stands, both give 1000 mana, Seraph's give 60 AP and muramana gives 20 AD (negligible on ryze), At 4000 mana, Ryze gets and equivalent 180 AP from seraph's, which then contributes to 72 extra dmg on his Q.

Muramana on the other hand gives 80 AD (relatively negligible), and then has It's passive Toggle: Single target spells and attacks consume 3% of your current mana to deal twice that much as magic dmg. At 4000 mana that is 240 extra damage.

The main tradeoff is that Muramana will drain your mana like crazy dealing progressively less and less dmg and you have less mana, and you would need blue buff the majority of the time during late game. Overall consistantly more damage then Seraph's. Seraph's has the shield however which is useful if you really need it.


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Umezete

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12-30-2012

I think this boils down to ryze is really hard to balance more than muramana being op.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

Senior Member

12-30-2012

Surrender at 20 predicts that it will be nerfed.

Also you should see muramana syndra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrU8sXDuquI


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Stitcher

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12-30-2012

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
Surrender at 20 predicts that it will be nerfed.

Also you should see muramana syndra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrU8sXDuquI
brb going to try that right now


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Thubgar

Senior Member

12-30-2012

the current highest base mana is janna at 1454.
meaning at best you're "4k mana" is wearing muramana and 2 additional angel tears, all fully charged.

IE/PD does better for your money.

and why would you choose ryze, a champion with deliberately low AP ratios because he gets bonus damage from mana, as an example? probably because the likes of karthus gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 99 bonus AOE DPS


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Dunehawk

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12-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Thubgar View Post
the current highest base mana is janna at 1454.
meaning at best you're "4k mana" is wearing muramana and 2 additional angel tears, all fully charged.

IE/PD does better for your money.

and why would you choose ryze, a champion with deliberately low AP ratios because he gets bonus damage from mana, as an example? probably because the likes of karthus gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 99 bonus AOE DPS
This post is geared towards viablity of the two items on ryze alone, who is perfectly able to get 4k mana with full item build.


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BigBEAR1212

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01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Thubgar View Post
the current highest base mana is janna at 1454.
meaning at best you're "4k mana" is wearing muramana and 2 additional angel tears, all fully charged.

IE/PD does better for your money.

and why would you choose ryze, a champion with deliberately low AP ratios because he gets bonus damage from mana, as an example? probably because the likes of karthus gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 99 bonus AOE DPS
Lol 4K is almost standard Mana on ryze now if you build him with The normal Core items. But Athene gets over 5k mana with his new build with muramana and seraphs build. But why would you not play Ryze..? He's a massive DPS bruiser mage with AoE. Sure he has a horrible early game... but so does vayne.. Ryze is one of the strongest hypercarries in my opinion other than maybe Karthus or Vayne. But here's athene's build not to mention again the massive magic damage it deals out he has over 300 ad with the build to.
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=...ze-build-guide


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Yuan Shikai

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01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
Surrender at 20 predicts that it will be nerfed.

Also you should see muramana syndra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrU8sXDuquI

I argue that an Ult designed as a PURE damage tool only dealing barely half of the damage bar of an enemy Syndra (no matter how many HP she has) when the Syndra who executes the ult has Rabadon's and Muramana is PRETTY supbar.


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Adrian Umbra

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01-01-2013

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I argue that an Ult designed as a PURE damage tool only dealing barely half of the damage bar of an enemy Syndra (no matter how many HP she has) when the Syndra who executes the ult has Rabadon's and Muramana is PRETTY supbar.
Did you look at their health at least though? It's not a small health pool.


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Yuan Shikai

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01-02-2013

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Originally Posted by Adrian Umbra View Post
Did you look at their health at least though? It's not a small health pool.

It's still another Syndra, even a Syndra with a large healthpool is still not an incredibly tanky champ.


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