Is Diana evil? More stories pls.

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XElement

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12-30-2012

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From her lore she sounds more like a victim then a villain. She is kinda dark and very vindictive but i don't think she is evil. Leona on the other hand protects the people who tried to kill Diana for not believing in what they believed. I need more LoL lore man....i like the lores.
She is like Viktor. Kinda started out good but something tragic happens that pushes them inot the "dark" side.
Really though, they are just victims of the wrong and are viewed evil for wanting revenge.

She believed in something else, and was punished for it. Which yes is wrong. She went to prove them wrong and they respond by "they pronounced her a heretic and condemned her to death". The moon gave her power and she killed the elders who were goign to execute her.
She is now a bitter lady who will go against anybody in her path.

Ironically, Leona was to be punished as well for not killing somebody
" When it came time for her Rite of Kor, a ceremony in which two Rakkor teens battle to the death for the right to bear a relic-weapon, Leona refused to fight. For this, the Rakkor leaders ordered her execution"
Funny isn't it? You don't believe/follow their path they will kill you. What a messed up place, then again, not like human history is much different.
But leona will defend her land though they were going to kill her for it.

As IronStylus said, Leona and Diana are similar.
Both were going to be killed for not believing in what their people did. However, the sun blessed Leona while the moon blessed Diana. Diana always found comfort in the moon, when Diana was to be killed the moon rescued her. Leona believed in defending and protecting, when Leona was about to be killed the sun rescued her.


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Zerglinator

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12-30-2012

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The next champion that has my fingerprints on it I hope will have as much depth as Diana. The Diana/Leona arc is hard to match sometimes because its sort of an Olympian conflict between characters that are near godlike. The next character you'll see from the Diana team (myself, Volty and Runaan) will be a bit more humble most likely, but have depth nonetheless, but in a different way, probably more subtle.
That's the next champion, yes?


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TheMeta88

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12-30-2012

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There is indeed reason for you suspect something of the like. If not directly, some connection, possibly unrequited from one side.

Again, tragedy!
Are you saying that Diana seeks the "love" that Leona has received from the Solari and the Sun?

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Also, do you have any light to shine on WHY some champions are joining the league? I know you are not on the lore team but it is starting to get frustrating.


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Luscious Lenny

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12-30-2012

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Are you saying that Diana seeks the "love" that Leona has received from the Solari and the Sun?

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Also, do you have any light to shine on WHY some champions are joining the league? I know you are not on the lore team but it is starting to get frustrating.
they are fcking legends son


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From my point of view, I don't think there is such thing as Evil or Good when speaking about Diana VS Leona. Obviously, one would assume that a Follower of the Light is good and one of the Moon is Evil but that's a matter of personal opinion.

Also, you gotta define "Evil". I doubt Diana would be the kind of person to just randomly kill bunnies, for the fun of it. I think there's good in all of us, whether it's hidden or not.


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I personally don't see why everyone seems to think Diana and Leona's story is so compelling. It's an older than dirt cliche of religious majority vs oppressed minority. And any struggle Diana supposedly had with being ostracized is just a rehashing of Leona's difficulties with not being a ultra-badass-serial-killer-spartan. I never thought Dian or Leona's lore was anything but mediocre.

Personally I'd like to see a lot more development on the Singed/Master Yi/Wukong lore. The Renekton/Nasus lore or even in general the Void Characters lore.


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Angel Ven

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12-30-2012

OMG I can sense powerful new lore on the horizon, and with epic champions to match!
Ironstylus has given me hope that the lore will be Resurrected, giving birth to completions to champion lores or ever just tying some champions together. I expect alot in 2013! Don't disappoint <3
-Angelic Destiny Awaits-


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Thecandywife

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12-30-2012

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Some more Diana art if you want it.
Attachment 583883
Make this a skin.

RIOT pls.


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SoresuMakashi

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12-30-2012

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Lots of fun stuff in here, some of it right along the lines of what we were thinking about when we developed Diana, some other things that have given me pause which I hadn't thought of before.

This is all open to individual interpretation, but myself, I do not see Diana as inherently evil. I see her as someone who was pure and whole, who has since collapsed in upon themselves to become the nihilist. To me, Diana is the absence, that's the compelling thing about her. It is not necessarily the strength of her convictions as it is her utter lack of consideration or regard since surrendering the better part of herself.

Leona is full, Diana is empty. That emptiness however is a force nonetheless. Leona is the fertile and the light, Diana is a desolate and the dark. She is the vacuum. A vacuum can still kill you. She is exerting a pull where Leona is forcing a push. In that they a complimentary. Diana is doubt, while Leona is faith, and trust. For Leona, Diana represents the direct insertion of that doubt into her world. Despite Diana becoming what Leona abhors, a taker of life, Leona isn't stupid. Being presented with a force given form that is directly conflicting with her beliefs she would have to question as to whether she has the whole story. Meanwhile, as Leona's unwavering faith falters, Diana has hit such a depth of nothingness that she is left with a completely perverted certainty. Leona's world is shattered, Diana's becomes concrete. Maybe Diana was willing to embrace shades of grey before, but not any more.

This isn't to say she doesn't believe in some sort of balance, or that the convictions she has inside her do not aim to restore some sort of equilibrium. But I believe that this is mainly a story about her, not the power which she has embraced. I feel that she has been so hurt, she has endured so much needless suffering, that she has gone to the very limit that any rational human can handle in the face of irrationality that there is nothing left for her to do but to collapse, to succumb and to let something otherworldly take her. She is the sane voice in a world of insanity, finally facing that inevitability, with that amount of blind objective reality being forced upon her, she has no choice but to give in finally.

As some have mentioned some of this is parallel to what Leona faced. Leona makes a choice, during the time she is most vulnerable a higher power steps in. Diana also makes a choice, but she relents, she despairs, becomes vulnerable and the higher power intercedes. Unlike Leona however, Diana is not really lifted up, she is dragged down. As the saying goes, the way out is through.

With Leona, she has to face death, face the abyss, but not fall in. She is saved before she parishes. Her conviction makes this so. Diana too must face death, look into the abyss, but must fall. That choice to let go is what facilitates her ascendancy. Reverse that now, to "present day" Leona must now face having to let go while Diana is now burning with conviction.

Also, when I speak of conviction, I do not necessarily mean that she is doctrinally driven. I feel that Diana has gone fully hyperbolic. What she feels is not rational. That's the kicker, she used to be so. She is the embodiment of what has literally been scorned or ignored and has something to say about it. This is her upswing coming from the depths. This is the pendulum swinging way too far. This is the overcompensation for her own personal saga and the disposition of the power inside her. She is the power personified, but that power is not looking for balance, not right at this moment.

There's a common thing we latched onto when developing her, and it was the Darth Vader arc. The way I look at it, Vader is not evil, he is also a nihilist. He is not driven by political power, or ideology, or military might. His argument basically boils down to; The power of the Dark Side is too great, resisting it is futile. If you are in my way, you will die by my hands and I will speak not a word of it aside from what a pitiful fool you are for getting in the way of something far beyond you.

That's my feeling at least, and that's how I feel about Diana and Leona actually. Anakin Skywalker had to succumb. He had to give in, and by doing so he was carried along by a torrent of which he saw no salvation from, nor any way out for someone standing on front of it. Even with his own son, his feeling is as I said, take my hand and stand with me, admit to the power, let it take hold of you, or die. It doesn't really matter in the end. Vader has no love lost for his son, someone he should love.

Diana feels similar I think. Despite any feelings that may be present, she has to give the same ultimatum to someone who she cares for, someone that stands in the way of a power which supersedes anything Diana might feel outside of its torrent.

Is Diana evil? She may be now. But she also might be nothing. I choose to see this story as not one of good and evil, but of full and empty. How full or how empty Leona or Diana are at the various points of their story mirror each other. Who will end up being full, and who will end up being left with nothing? What will full mean? Is there a balance that can be sought?

We'll just have to wait and see..

=)
Riot needs to clone you and hire you into the lore department.

This is what I always think of when you make posts like these.


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"They called me a heretic, now they are dead!"