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Should Riven be nerfed?

Yes, Riven should be nerfed 161 33.06%
No, Riven should not be nerfed 326 66.94%
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Riven Nerf in the next Patch

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Empyrius

Senior Member

01-01-2013

These nerfs are directed at her early game power. Unfortunately they are destroying her jungle and her overall game. Her jungle is affected majorly by this nerf.

In jungle its consistent damage. The shield does not stay up the whole time it takes for the valor to refresh which means shes going to be taking damage. Also the fact that shes not going to get shield to lvl 3. This means the time it takes to Wolves-Blue-wraiths-golems shes not going to have her shield. Which means shes going to be taking damage the whole time. If she does this path in 3 minutes thats 180 seconds. If its hp/5 then there are 36 ticks of hp/5. The nerf effectively stops her jungle by preventing about (36*4.5=162hp). So her pathing within this time is reduced because shes taking all that damage, and by the time shes finished golems she will have not regenerated 162 hp. Thus she has to recall. Secondary to this when she goes to gank she needs her ult up. Almost every single time, her jungle is minor cc lots of damage. They are removing the massive damage.

Laning-shes strong early-mid game. Pretty useless end game. Her team has to fight and she cleans up. She has no poke, slight movement speed increases due to her casts but others can cast their abilities to catch up, and many other small issues. If they nerf her early game it weakens her late game which is already weak.

Basically the way its now (5 kills early game, 3 kills mid game, 1 kill late game)

Way it will be after patch( 3 kills early game, 1 kill mid game, bunch of deaths late game)


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Empyrius

Senior Member

01-01-2013

Riven has 15% reduced stats to other champions, only thing above them was hp/5 and manaless. She has strong early game, but bad late game. Shes at 53% overall win rate. There are other champions at 56% win rate and above not getting nerfed. Honestly you have to say that rivens late game is weak. She is dependent on getting early kills. She beats the other teams top lane. but can contribute nothing to team fights usually. So in exchange for early lane dominance she beats the other top down, who then isnt as effective in team fights. Shes a staller champion who prevents the other champion from being effective.


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Zair Umbras

Senior Member

01-01-2013

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Riven has 15% reduced stats to other champions, only thing above them was hp/5 and manaless. She has strong early game, but bad late game. Shes at 53% overall win rate. There are other champions at 56% win rate and above not getting nerfed. Honestly you have to say that rivens late game is weak. She is dependent on getting early kills. She beats the other teams top lane. but can contribute nothing to team fights usually. So in exchange for early lane dominance she beats the other top down, who then isnt as effective in team fights. Shes a staller champion who prevents the other champion from being effective.


Shutting down most top lanes causes that team to win most of the time considering top lane is where the bruisers and Fiora live. If they get shut down, their damage and tankiness prevents them from being able to get into the action or suffer what all melees fear... losing a 1v1 vs. a Soraka with 0 AP.


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Empyrius

Senior Member

01-01-2013

the idea behind riven is that A she beats top lane. If all the other lanes are even then a team fight should look like a 4v4 with a strong clean up/focuser and 1 slightly up bruiser. If another lane wins on your team then its usually GG. If another lane loses then you have an UP bruiser that weakens their other team overall until late game when he/she catches up. Usually the longer the game go Riven is weakened as ADC gets stronger, AP casters get stronger, people start focusing CC on her, etc. Riven is relient on getting up close and personal. She is based on CDS. So while she can burst one person down fast. If she goes in early, people usually switch to her and focus her in retaliation/prevention. Usually people build GA on her to get a second go after your team has a few seconds extra to fight. But doesn't always work out.

Basically you have to weight overall game vs top game. Yes she rocks top lane. But thats how she was built. She sucks late game. Now since they are nerfing her early game, there is almost no compensation for her late game. Her stun does not get longer or range bigger. Her valor doesn't propell further or absorb more...10 is not more(its increased only to make up for the small loss in hp/5 by their logic). Her ult relies on her hitting and slashing people. Its wasted often without engagements.

Now i just have to ask Why nerfing a champion like this whos been balanced arround 50% for all of season 2 and season 3 shes slightly above 53%. While champs like leesin, wu kong, rumble, talon are all above 55%. Stop complaining about her. Yes an early game tonedown of her ult would be a good idea. NOT 110s long.... her ult is an ult that can be wasted. It can be dodged. IT CAN MISS. Its not fair to have Garen to have an ult that WILL hit, do MORE damage, has even more HP/Regend than Riven to have a shorter CD. Jax just counters all tops now with his ult as well.


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Zair Umbras

Senior Member

01-01-2013

Lol... Bringing up Garen and Jax.... People have issues with Garen because they don't understand his regen. All of his regen comes from his passive which you should keep down at all times by poking him and exchanging blows oftenly. Jax can only counter so hard. He has his ability to dodge basics which does delay Riven's damage, but that's why you don't ulti and charge at a Jax like an idiot, you get him to pop his E, then you press W and R and beat his face in while he's practically defenseless. Yes, he has armor and can gain more by using his ulti, however this is why Black Cleaver was changed and why ArP was changed. Armor can be countered HARD because of how it works now, ask Talon and Darius if Jax is a truly a problem and they'll tell you his ulti ain't worth **** anymore.

If you're REALLY having issues with your ulti, learn how to time it... You shouldn't use it pre-initiation and you shouldn't be leading the pack since you don't have a gap closer. When using a bruiser that lacks a gap closer, you need to have a jungle that can supply the initiation like Malph, Ali, Xin, Amumu, etc. and then after they're in there, you get in. If they're disengaging, don't waste your ulti and give chase, it's a waste of your ulti and your time, just back off unless your team is keeping them slowed and/or CC'd, then you can pop your ulti and destroy them. Riven is an aggressive champ that requires some timing, much like Katarina.


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Pîkapîka3

Member

01-01-2013

Based on Garen's abilities, he is too OP for early game, Garen would silence Riven and Riven would not be able to use her abilities, the spin on garen is also OP.


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Tadiken

Senior Member

01-01-2013

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I don't like this nerf. Riven not even OP, so why nerf her!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is only OP if she gets fed.

Riven is currently considered one of the best top characters in the game.

They need to nerf her hp regen (not sure at that extent), because it is one of the highest values in the game and she already has her shield.

She has decent burst damage, great sustained damage, a steroid, a massive amount of mobility, a stun, a finisher, and lane sustain from her shield and hp regen. She has nearly everything, all on a no-cost basis.


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ScreamPaste

Senior Member

01-02-2013

This is a terrible idea. Riven is one of the best balanced champions in the game, if she were too strong you would see her in tournaments, you don't. Her base stats are horrendous, her abilities are good, she works as is. If anything I'd see her buffed just slightly so I could watch her at a tournament.

This is honestly an unreasonable change, why change what doesn't need it?


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Souldier

Senior Member

01-02-2013

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Riven is currently considered one of the best top characters in the game.

They need to nerf her hp regen (not sure at that extent), because it is one of the highest values in the game and she already has her shield.

She has decent burst damage, great sustained damage, a steroid, a massive amount of mobility, a stun, a finisher, and lane sustain from her shield and hp regen. She has nearly everything, all on a no-cost basis.


You are forgetting that she lacks any ranged poke/harass and has to get up close and take big risks in order to win. By nerfing her hp5, riven can not take risks because she would have to back to base every minute. Riven has to struggle late game, so by nerfing her early game, they destroyed her late game.

Also +10 dmg protection is such a lame way to compensate for her hp5 nerf AND the Insane CD increase on her ult.

Oh yeah, she is also not naturally tanky (one of the squishiest bruisers) and has no regen.


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stardustdragon13

Junior Member

01-02-2013

Yeh Riven is only op when she gets fed. This nerf is not really needed and that shield... The nerf should be cancelled as Riven is very fun to play with plus she can be very rewarding. Anyone could build thormail and counter riven but this nerf is really not needed on a fun champion