1000 correct cases, justice rating over 18500. Here's what I think about Tribunal.

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DrUnne

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01-29-2013

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Posting my Justice card as of this morning.

Not including the Tribunal Recess immediately prior to the European Qualifiers, I have only missed 1 days worth of cases, and there was one night during a night shift at work where I was frantically trying to judge my 20 cases before the reset... I got 19/20 before the reset took effect. :/
Well done!


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Tsaalyo

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01-30-2013

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Yep, you are too nice.

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don't even bother giving attention.

i tried talking rationally earlier and it went no where.

just don't end up tribunal and u wont get autopunished.
You did no such thing.

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Posting my Justice card as of this morning.

Not including the Tribunal Recess immediately prior to the European Qualifiers, I have only missed 1 days worth of cases, and there was one night during a night shift at work where I was frantically trying to judge my 20 cases before the reset... I got 19/20 before the reset took effect. :/
NICE! But I'm ranked 73 today. Nyah. :P

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I like how everyone thinks all the Tribunal folks just auto punish. Why would I auto punish? I get nothing out of doing so. I do get to help clean out the toxic players by making sure to read each case and make proper judgements.

Considering most cases continue to be filled with racial and sexual slurs (Yesterday had about 15 cases of just people spamming these things), I do punish vastly more then I pardon but I by no means auto punish anyone. I do agree with almost everything the OP does as well, we're very similar in our stances it seems.


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1v1 on RS

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01-30-2013

How about you play the game instead of punishing players you <1200 scrub.


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TBZZ Cheezus

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01-30-2013

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According to the Justice Review thing, I've got over 1000 cases correct, almost 19000 in justice rating, ranked 148. My accuracy is 85.1%, and I've permabanned 33 players.

In a typical day, I pardon maybe 2 of my 20 daily cases. However, most of my incorrect cases are where I punished a case that was ultimately pardoned. Based on this, I'd say about 4 in 20 cases are typically pardoned. That's an 80% punish chance for any case.

I WILL punish if even one case of five is punishable.

Things I always punish for:
1. Excessive cursing out allies.
2. Excessive taunting the enemy.
3. Excessive flaunting to the enemy. IE “Ohhhh almost!” “Lolnope.” “Try harder.” Etc.
4. “gg noobs”. Yes, even if that's the only thing in the case.
5. Ragequitting.

What I'm talking about here is poor sportsmanship. I absolutely will not tolerate it. Some people might criticize this, accusing me of wanting LoL to be a game people play with monocles and tea. And you know what? Yeah, I do want that. LoL is a strategy game akin to chess. Do you see Garry Kasparov mocking Ding Liren after every play? Liren makes a bad play and loses a pawn, Kasparov says “lol nope nice try noob try harder”? No, that doesn't happen. Grow up, be a good sport, or go play something more suited to your mindset. I hear Call of Duty is good for that.

Things I never punish for:
1. A bad game or several bad games.
2. An AFK in which a reason is given... provided it's not multiple cases or if he gives the same reason every time, something he should have the common sense to plan around. I'm not all that picky about the reason. Girlfriend wants ***? Sorry, team, that's more important.
3. Asking for honor.

We've all had that one game where we went 0/12/4. Stop acting like you're M5, get off your high horse, we've ALL had them and it happens more often than we care to admit. That's not a bannable offense. And those cases where all 5 are something like this? All that means is that the player had no games in which they cursed out their team or otherwise got reported. It sure will look intentional if that's literally the only thing anyone could ever report them over.

Things I sometimes punish for, depending on whether or not they happen repeatedly, and what clues the chat gives me:
1. Games in which a person never connected.
2. Clear trolling via a dual mid or somesuch.
3. Excessive pinging, for the sake of it.

Bugsplats happen, thank you Riot, you're like the only game I've ever seen in which this happens so goddamn often. And if a person doesn't know what to do about it, well, what can you do. I'm not banning someone because Riot can't code their game correctly. Hi Riot. You either smiled at this or frowned at it. Hiiiii. Eve 2012.

In the case of I Called It vs. I'm First Pick, it's trickier. I try to follow the clues of the chat. Thankfully, most of these cases degenerate into a rich plethora of four letter words anyway.

Excessive pinging... come on. If someone makes the game less enjoyable, I'll do likewise.

I do not give in to the popular opinion in order to raise my accuracy. Biggest example is the gg noobs thing. I can tell you, based on cases I've gotten wrong, that “gg noobs” is not enough to get punished. But i'll still punish for it, even knowing that I'll probably get it wrong, because that's what I believe.

One thing I am annoyed by is how few people actually report for obvious offenses. There have been games in which an ally absolutely berated his team, but the only player who bothered reporting for it is one of the enemies. Are you kidding me? People whine about excessive reporting, but if you ask me, people need to step it up. No wonder this community is so terrible. Hardly anyone reports what needs to be reported. People always talk about junk cases of rage reporting, but I'm lucky if I get one or two of those a week.

AMA.

Edit

Thanks for all the support! As of this writing, I've surpassed 20,000 in justice rating, with 35 toxic players permabanned. I like to think LoL is just a little bit friendlier for it. I thought I'd add and clarify some stuff, for my critics:

1. Can you guys please read the word 'excessive' before you criticize autopunish points 2, 3, and 4? There's a difference between a single instance of "close one~" and an entire game of "LOL NOPE ALMOST TRY HARDER NOOB SCRUB LOLOL GEEGEE GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG." I honestly figured this was self explanatory, but I guess not.

2. You can add racial and homophobic slurs to my autopunish list. There is absolutely no call for it. The moment any of those words comes up, not even reading a single word more, Punish.

3. I'm very sorry, but people have lives. Now, if a person AFKs without reason, or gives a reason that he should have been able to plan around, like "oops sorry dinner time" or "sorry my bedtime is ____", that's a punish. But "oh, sorry, fire, brb" is a pardon. Yes, I know people can lie. That's why most reports have more than one case. If I see multiple AFKs, especially the same reason given each time, obvious lies are obvious. I know it's possible that a person lies a lot, but only one AFK instance actually made it on the report. What can I say, law of averages, no system is perfect. Doesn't mean I'm autopunishing when there are a rich plethora of reasons to AFK that don't deserve punishment.

4. It is not against the rules to break the meta. However, if the dialogue consists of "I'M MID" "NO I'M MID" "I CALLED IT" "I WAS FIRST" "I GOT HERE FIRST" "GO SUPPORT" "**** U" and the three guys on the team have their game ruined because neither guy could be the better man? I'd punish either of them, I don't care who was in the wrong.

Edit 2

Wow, so much support! I've decided to clarify a couple more things.

1. I've gotten a lot of criticism over not punishing for asking for honor, since Lyte himself told us to. Here's the thing. I believe the spirit of what Lyte said was that we should punish honor trading, or trying to use honor to influence gameplay, blackmail or offers or whatnot. I don't believe his big concern was a conversation of "honor pls", and then the person immediately leaves. Who cares.

2.
ex·ces·sive
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adjective
going beyond the usual, necessary, or proper limit or degree; characterized by excess: excessive charges; excessive criticism.


If you're going to criticise my autopunish points 2 and 3, please familiarize yourself with the definition of the word 'excessive' first.

3. I refuse to "just mute" a player. Why? This is a game that requires constant communication with your team. Strategizing, even just hearing that "mia". We NEED to be able to talk. So if you're being a dick, and I have to mute you, we can no longer communicate, and we are put at a heavy disadvantage. I'm not going to tolerate potentially losing a game because you can't be mature, and that's why I'll report and never mute.

Edit 3
RED SUPPORT. I love you guys! Eve 2012~!
why report them for duo mid?????? that not trolling


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할배님

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01-30-2013

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why report them for duo mid?????? that not trolling
it's trolling


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DrUnne

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01-30-2013

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How about you play the game instead of punishing players you <1200 scrub.
Sassy.


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Goth Skunk

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01-30-2013

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NICE! But I'm ranked 73 today. Nyah. :P
All my pending cases just went through. My longest streak record jumped by 30% overnight and leapt me through the ranks.

Here's my latest judgment card after having completed today's rulings:


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2pudge1cup

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01-30-2013

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Originally Posted by DrUnne View Post
I like how everyone thinks all the Tribunal folks just auto punish. Why would I auto punish? I get nothing out of doing so. I do get to help clean out the toxic players by making sure to read each case and make proper judgements.

Considering most cases continue to be filled with racial and sexual slurs (Yesterday had about 15 cases of just people spamming these things), I do punish vastly more then I pardon but I by no means auto punish anyone. I do agree with almost everything the OP does as well, we're very similar in our stances it seems.
swap autopunish with has ridiculously high standards and punishes just about everyone.

congrats you punish 95% of cases where someone calls someone else a feeder when they are feeding.

i did tribunal for a while. i was maybe 50/50 punish/pardon and every single case that id pardon would end in punishes. complete waste of time. tribunal users have really ridiculous metrics.


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Tsaalyo

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01-30-2013

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Originally Posted by 1v1 on rs View Post
How about you play the game instead of punishing players you <1200 scrub.
Aww so cute, you think elo is directly proportional to the validity of my mindset. Grow up, kid.

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why report them for duo mid?????? that not trolling
I don't report for duo mid if the team planned that. I report if it's duo mid because they're trolling or being idiots.

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All my pending cases just went through. My longest streak record jumped by 30% overnight and leapt me through the ranks.

Here's my latest judgment card after having completed today's rulings:
HMPH. :P

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swap autopunish with has ridiculously high standards and punishes just about everyone.

congrats you punish 95% of cases where someone calls someone else a feeder when they are feeding.

i did tribunal for a while. i was maybe 50/50 punish/pardon and every single case that id pardon would end in punishes. complete waste of time. tribunal users have really ridiculous metrics.
So you've never died in game, ever. Not once have you EEEEEVER lost a lane. Ever. Ever.

Grow the hell up. Having a bad game is not feeding.


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Goth Skunk

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01-30-2013

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Originally Posted by 2pudge1cup View Post
swap autopunish with has ridiculously high standards and punishes just about everyone.

congrats you punish 95% of cases where someone calls someone else a feeder when they are feeding.

i did tribunal for a while. i was maybe 50/50 punish/pardon and every single case that id pardon would end in punishes. complete waste of time. tribunal users have really ridiculous metrics.
Or perhaps you're just too lenient compared to the rest of us.

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HMPH. :P
What can I say? I'm dedicated.