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The State Of Katarina.

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FrozenChinchilla

Master Recruiter

12-29-2012

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DramaticSonata:
People fight for buffing Katarina... and Diana on the other hand is completely forgotten and not played much after taking a Nerf Bat to the face.


Nobody is asking for Katarina buffs. This thread is about diversity.


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Katarìna

Senior Member

12-29-2012

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FrozenChinchilla:
Nobody is asking for Katarina buffs. This thread is about diversity.


^^^


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Katarìna

Senior Member

12-29-2012

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FrozenChinchilla:

Your calculations in comparing damage were also off.
50 bonus AD is a lot more expensive than 50 bonus AP.

45 AD is 1550
80 AP is 1600

Your calculations assumed equal amounts of bonus AD and AP.


That doesn't change the fact that an AD build is itemizing for AD by level 6, and an AP build is itemizing for Magic Pen. So it's entirely possible to have a scenario in which AD Kat has Boots1, and BF Sword and 20 odd from runes/masteries. AP Kat has Sorcs and a Tome, and whatever AP he has from runes/masteries as well, likely around 50.

It's highly possible that AD Kat has more than 50 bonus AD, while all AP has going for it early game is penetration, and low amounts of AP that items with penetration offer, and whatever he gets from runes/masteries, if any.

Kat has a tendency to need flat defense runes.


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Ninjaken

Senior Member

12-29-2012

Katarina is fine where she stands


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Katarìna

Senior Member

12-29-2012

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Ninjaken:
Katarina is fine where she stands


You shush. An AD ratio back on Q wouldn't bring back Kats stacking AD marks and winning lane with Q spam like pre-rework. Bouncing Blades just isn't that powerful anymore.


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dirtysanchez1

Senior Member

12-29-2012

But she is fine and hasn't been this balanced in months. Show me a form of statistical evidence that she's overpowered compared to other champions and carries games for her team too often. You claiming with anecdotal evidence that she's OP or by just suggesting she's OP doesn't give me a reason to take your post seriously.

e: nice one editing your post because it sounded dickish:

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Katarìna:
You shush. An AD ratio back on Q wouldn't bring back Kats stacking AD marks and winning lane with Q spam like pre-rework. Bouncing Blades just isn't that powerful anymore.

Your Q is meant to set up its passive so when you E>W it procs the mark. By giving her Q an AD ratio it makes it harder for the opposing mid laner to build against you as it's your main form of harass. All that bringing an AD ratio on her Q would do is promote Gunblade rushes and skyrocket her winrate because she'd become the perfect hybrid champion.


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Katarìna

Senior Member

12-29-2012

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************1:
But she is fine and hasn't been this balanced in months. Show me a form of statistical evidence that she's overpowered compared to other champions and carries games for her team too often. You claiming with anecdotal evidence that she's OP or by just suggesting she's OP doesn't give me a reason to take your post seriously.


Who said she was overpowered? It sure as **** wasn't me. If you're gonna make statements like that, at least quote the person you're talking to.


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dirtysanchez1

Senior Member

12-29-2012

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Katarìna:
Who said she was overpowered? It sure as **** wasn't me. If you're gonna make statements like that, at least quote the person you're talking to.

Wait, so why are you suggesting she be changed? She needs no QoL changes, she needs no buffs, nerfs, changes ... you're asking for changes for the sake of changes?


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Ninjaken

Senior Member

12-29-2012

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Katarìna:
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You shush. An AD ratio back on Q wouldn't bring back Kats stacking AD marks and winning lane with Q spam like pre-rework. Bouncing Blades just isn't that powerful anymore.


An AD ratio on Q wouldnt cause more diversity if you nerf the AP ratio. That'll just cause gunblade rushing again instead of haunting guise rushing. In other wors, itll cause a hybrid build instead of a an ap build. People wont have the option to build either ap or hybrid, theyll just have the option to build hybrid. Kat's different but she's fine. She still needs to decide whether to harass or farm with Q, when to trade and how to do it, and when to use ults.


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cft24

Senior Member

12-29-2012

Well written and agreed +1