are more junglers viable with the new changes?

yes, more champions can be used now 37 25.69%
no, a lot of junglers that used to be good are now struggling and barely viable 75 52.08%
not sure, need more time to decide 30 20.83%
screw yordles 37 25.69%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

new jungle does NOT allow for a wider variety of junglers

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LogicalTautology

Senior Member

12-26-2012

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Originally Posted by DankChi View Post
I'm assuming the jungler is competent and at least blows a flash or get a kill every gank.
That's not remotely realistic. In half of your ganks, the Jungle will be sitting on a ward while waiting to gank and accomplish literally nothing.


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PogoPogoPogoPogo

Senior Member

12-26-2012

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Originally Posted by Zlain View Post
the 63 people who voted no are all sub 500 elo and don't know what the jungle is~
The poll is bad. I for one voted for all four options, because it's a terrible poll.

But read the options again.

1. "yes, more champions can be used now"
2. "no, a lot of junglers that used to be good are now struggling and barely viable"



Option 1 says more junglers are viable.
Option 2 says junglers that used to be extraordinarily good (too good) are now weaker, but "barely viable." This means they're still viable, they just may not be as good.




But ultimately, that's the only realistic way for Riot to make more junglers viable.

Why wasn't Warwick a viable jungler in Season 2?
Why was Hecarim a viable jungler in Season 2?

Hecarim was a viable jungler because he could clear the jungle at full health (or near) and he had very strong ganks.
Warwick was not a viable jungler in season 2 because he couldn't do anything Hecarim couldn't do. He'd clear the jungle with the same health but he had weaker ganks.


Why are they both viable now in Season 3? By making the jungle more difficult, Riot is changing what a jungler is capable of and changing what it takes to be a good jungler. Ganks are important still, but you can't just sit in the bush all day waiting around for ganks--you'll fall behind.

They're both more viable now in Season 3 because while Warwick's ganks are weaker than Hecarim's ganks, he's got a better ability to clear, and can clear at higher health--he can take bigger risks on his ganks (increasing his chance of success). Meanwhile Hecarim's ganks are still strong--he still has the same set of abilities--his ganks are simply riskier. He's not as strong at clearing the jungle so he'll have to gank at lower health and risk dying.

You couldn't play Warwick before the jungle changes because AFK farming wasn't an option at all (you'd fall behind), and the enemy jungler would be non-stop ganking your lanes, maybe even level 3 tower diving. Now if Hecarim makes a level 3 tower dive, your laner will probably be just fine in a 2v1.


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Jumajuma

Recruiter

12-26-2012

Xin can still come out at lvl 3 with full clear and full hp and gank effectively. I thought the point of the new jungle was to prevent that.
Other champs have been hurt way to much, used to love to jungle eve....not so much anymore, Xin is just so much better for it now.


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PogoPogoPogoPogo

Senior Member

12-26-2012

Xin is an example of a champion who is stronger now than he was before. Riot has stated that before the season starts, some champions may be rebalanced to make sure no one is too strong or too weak. Remember, we're still in the preseason. Season 3 hasn't officially started yet (and won't for a while).

I feel like Xin will probably get either a nerf to his E or Q (the abilities that help him gank), or he might get a nerf to his W (which gives him sustain, and the attack speed works great with Machete).


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12-27-2012

I feel like WW is actually weaker due to the changes in the jungle. ZZZZZZZZZZZ