Why isn't Darius's ult channeled or have a range limit?

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CerealBoxOfDoom

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12-21-2012

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Originally Posted by PerfidiousAlbion View Post
Fiora becomes untargettable during her ult, so she can dodge it much like Vlad's pool of Fizz's trollpoll allow them to.
But if there's no channel time then how do you get to dodge it.


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Acanthus

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12-22-2012

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
But if there's no channel time then how do you get to dodge it.
*Headdesk* There is a cast time, but it's not channeled.

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Originally Posted by RamserX View Post
you realize that would make darius's ult 100% useless right? he would never get a kill with it
Seriously? Having it cancel if they leave a certain range makes it useless? No, and your statement is full of ****. All you have to do is code in a range limit of some reasonable amount past its max cast range so that they can't escape it by running, but they can by dashing, flashing, whatever. This would cause more mobile champions like lee sin unlikely to ever be ulted, but there are many, many champions who will be.


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Beaumains

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12-22-2012

Darius' ult should not have a fixed range (in the way the OP means), and silences interrupt it (though it may reset).


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Vencu

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12-22-2012

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Originally Posted by HereticSage View Post
*Headdesk* There is a cast time, but it's not channeled.


Seriously? Having it cancel if they leave a certain range makes it useless? No, and your statement is full of ****. All you have to do is code in a range limit of some reasonable amount past its max cast range so that they can't escape it by running, but they can by dashing, flashing, whatever. This would cause more mobile champions like lee sin unlikely to ever be ulted, but there are many, many champions who will be.
Irelia, Riven, Shen, Vayne, Ezreal, caitlyn , graves, corki, any champ with a dash becomes unkillable by darius ult


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Xaviertrix

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12-22-2012

Its a single target, instant cast ranged ability. Damage aside, the *only* difference between Darius's ultimate and, say, Pantheon's spear shot are the animations.
-They both have a brief 'cast' (though all spells have this)
-Once cast, the ability will follow the target until it connects or is fizzled (ie, pool/hourglass) (Example of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGBwrqdDXPo)
However, the main difference is that Darius's ult is a *set* travel time: while Spear Shot will take varying time to hit, depending on how far away the target is, Noxian Guillotine will ALWAYS take a set period of time to smack the target. That, and the animations are completely different, even though the mechanics are relatively similar (projectile vs jumping buff man).


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PerfidiousAlbion

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12-22-2012

Ultimately Darius isn`t an OP champion. You might not like his mechanics but that's not a reason to nerf him on it's own.


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Arcen

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12-22-2012

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
it is channeled and has a range limit.
You should be able to flash out of the ult's damage mid-dunk, you currently cannot.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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12-22-2012

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Originally Posted by HereticSage View Post
*Headdesk* There is a cast time, but it's not channeled.
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Originally Posted by TheLoLwikia
Noxian Guillotine is a targeted dash ability that causes Darius to jump onto the targeted enemy champion, dealing true damage. This damage is increased by 20% for each stack of Hemorrhage that is active on the target. Additionally, Noxian Guillotine's cooldown is refreshed if it deals the killing blow. ■Noxian Guillotine does not proc on-hit effects.
■Noxian Guillotine procs spell vamp and Rylai's slow similarly with all single target spells and abilities with full effect.
■Noxian Guillotine pops Spell Shield.
■Noxian Guillotine will not damage Black Shield.
Noxian Guillotine has a brief channel time (~0.5s) upon cast before it activates, during which he jumps into the air. During this time, Darius is targetable and can be killed, cancelling the ability.
■ If the target is killed during the animation, the skill's cooldown will not start.
■ Noxian Guillotine will miss if the target is out of sight range.
■ Darius can follow enemies who move large distances during the animation.[3]
■ Darius can be stunned during the animation, which will cancel the ability.
■If Noxian Guillotine is blocked by a spell shield, the cooldown will not reset.
■ The target of Noxian Guillotine gains one Hemorrhage stack. This is applied after the ability's damage is dealt, and will not affect Noxian Guillotine's damage.
The wiki says you may want to leave you head down and reflect on your exadgeration.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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12-22-2012

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Originally Posted by Arcen View Post
You should be able to flash out of the ult's damage mid-dunk, you currently cannot.
range limit is a vague term, but dodging targeting is some design specific phenomena I think


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OmeQuicksilver

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12-22-2012

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Originally Posted by PerfidiousAlbion View Post
You might not like his mechanics but that's not a reason to nerf him on it's own.
Thats never stopped Riot from nerfing things before. XD