What is this obsession with one middle?

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IdleAltruism

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10-12-2010

I believe this is a relic from Dota/HoN, where mid is extremely important because of the Runes. Having a solo mid allowed for strong solo champs to gain access to runes which helped them dominate the solo mid role (which many heroes could do 2v1 without breaking a sweat), and the runes could also lead to massive ganking potential early on.

In LoL, I think it's more about tradition, and the fact that if you had two solo lanes, then your bottom solo lane will more than likely be a 2v1, which might affect your decision if you weren't confident about the lanes. A lot of high ranked players, in all 3 games (Dota,HoN, and LoL) like to follow formulas. The safest route is good, so doing what is familiar is often a good idea. Breaking the mold is often left to competition, where that X factor can give you an advantage.


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EliManningLOL

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10-12-2010

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Originally Posted by Pieson View Post
By putting 2v1 mid lane, the solo person would have a level advantage on the dual people, assuming that the solo was halfway decent and didn't need to go B all the time. Also, they would get more farming done and then have a nice advantage later on.
This is sort of going in circles. Yes, the solo would have a level advantage on the two people, but so would your solo in his lane either top or bottom. But no, the solo wouldn't farm better, he would farm not quite as good as normal because there are two in the lane that can harass him (same for your solo). If anything, it would mitigate the effects of a solo as it can hinder his farming more than if it was just 1v 1 (something to consider if the other team has a more favorable solo than your own).


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Numbat

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10-12-2010

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Originally Posted by Kaylel View Post
By the time that 2nd guy comes though, you have ganked the first one. Then once you take the tower, that's a boost of gold/exp for all making up for the lack of having 3 splitting mid. With the 2nd person showing up, 2nd gank. Then all mid move to the next weak lane and take the tower and a third gank with 4 strong. See what happens with the third lane, if they split you are now pushing bottom more than likely with just one, mid is pushing itself, and the last lane is being pushed all the way to the third tower before they knew what hit them. Before you even have an ult you have 3 towers down.

Helps if you have fast attacking characters to take down the towers. Tristana is pretty good for tower busting with her attack speed buff.
By the time you can tower dive the one person (which is what you'll have to do to take him out) the second person will have meandered up from bottom to support them. You have no items early on and can't trade tower hits that easily anymore, so.... yeah.

Even if you do kill the one person that early you're probably not going to get the turret before someone can come and support it.

I think it's obvious that you've never actually tried a tri-lane before, the amount of xp/gold those three characters have to live on is absolutely abysmal and all your bets are that they'll play poorly and let themselves get ganked repeatedly to make up for your huge
deficit. Contrast this with a jungler where even if your jungler doesn't get any ganks you still win in levels/gold against 2/1/2.


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Merana

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10-12-2010

When you have a 2 vs 1 lane in the side you can zone your enemy. If you have it mid they are too close to safety to zone. Meaning that they can free farm in complete safety


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Covenant

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10-12-2010

There will only be 4 laners, one is jungling.

The reason both go bot is to defend dragon, and also because you want to make sure you're in a 2v2 lane, not two 2v1 lanes.

2 mid provides greater mobility, but during the laning phase what you want is safety. Later on during the teamfight phase people will tend to group up near mid because it's the best place to operate from, but early on when you're just laning and farming you don't want that.


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Kaylel

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10-12-2010

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It'll work (maybe) as an organized team against noobs, or as an organized team as a surprise method against another organized team (maybe, smaller chance). "By the time the 2nd guy comes, you have ganked the first one", through what means? Towerdiving? If he's got any brains that's what you'll have to do. Good players don't stand in exposed spots while your team isn't showing up on the minimap. The second player will (if the enemy team is semi-competenet), show up fairly quickly and then your whole strategy falls to ****.
There are a number of characters that can gank at level 1 effectively, especially together. Singed with fling can help, tristana with rocket jump, and ice bird with the stun shot. They will be dead before they realize it without much ability to get away.At level 2 you get even better at it. Nobody expects 3 at mid, let alone 2, which is why it will work.


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4ndy

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10-12-2010

To stray a little off topic, but to the same point, how come on Twisted Treeline, the solo lane is the Top lane. This has no benefit to minions reaching there many seconds sooner, or the gap being so much smaller on top lane. Anyone know why this is the "general rule." Very very few games I have played where it was against an arranged team where they decide to switch it up themselves, and like others have mentioned it creates an unfamiliar atmosphere and seems to ever so slightly wreck someone's playing style.

Because normally instead of switching top and bottom champs, one bottom champ just goes up to help out thus switching the person who is soloing to begin with. Which already is in favor for the other team since the reason you have a certain person solo is so they can farm and level up better and probably carry your team, so if they are now in the 2 person lane, that leaves some potential non-carry as the solo lane.

Any thoughts?


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Vyluis

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10-12-2010

- One jungler for an extra solo lane

- Two bottom for dragon control in-case a jungler goes for it

- Two solo lanes are left, one on top, and one in mid

This really should be end of discussion with that explanation...The only event that would result in not taking a jungler is if Riot lowers the exp you get from jungle creeps making you too under leveled or something else that disrupts jungling in a significant manner.

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To stray a little off topic, but to the same point, how come on Twisted Treeline, the solo lane is the Top lane. This has no benefit to minions reaching there many seconds sooner, or the gap being so much smaller on top lane. Anyone know why this is the "general rule." Very very few games I have played where it was against an arranged team where they decide to switch it up themselves, and like others have mentioned it creates an unfamiliar atmosphere and seems to ever so slightly wreck someone's playing style.
For Red Buff control, if they have two on top and only one bottom you will easily be able to get the red and kill bottom. Where as up top they cannot get any significant buffs right of the bat to help kill the solo laner.


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Temlam

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10-12-2010

the only time I went 2 mid was with people I knew, and we did VERY well because we used a taric/sion combo. Tower diving is a breeze with 2 stuns and sions damage + taric heals.

By the time they got a second mid, they were underleveled and got destroyed easily.

I wouldn't recommend it for a normal game. The reason being, top and bottom are extremely vulnerable. Once some champions reach level 4 or 5, they feel strong enough to turret dive the solo and before that solo can respawn and run up, at least half the tower will be destroyed. If you have really good teammates, you can rely on them to protect the turrets, if not in public games as you have said, it's better to conform to having a backup. Also why many people choose not to jungle in solo games unless they're duo with someone, they dont trust the 1v2 to hold out effectively.


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Hyakuren

Banned

10-12-2010

All baddies in dis thread.

Solo top.
Solo mid.
Jungler.
Duo bot.