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Black Cleaver is Over Powered

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TMTrainer

Senior Member

12-12-2012

I mean, the fact that even after Black Cleaver's nerf it's still possible to achieve 70%+ amounts of armor pen, rendering Rammus (A charecter that relies on stacking armor) and Malphite (A well rounded armor tank) useless under a majority of circumstances. Rammus will practically die if he taunts an ADC building like this, and Malphite, who typicly builds less armor, will also be unable to tank without stacking HP... and although that might be effective, Malphite will still be outclassed by true health tanks... And those who benefit from stacking HP (Vlad, Volibear, ect).


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PussPounder Esq

Member

12-12-2012

Currently the black cleaver stacks are not unique in game. If you have 3 cleavers you will proc 12 stacks of cleaver. Don't believe it, go play a custom game, farm up with a friend, and have him Talon combo you. Or Pantheon E you. You will see 3 debuff boxes come up each with 4 stacks.


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TMTrainer

Senior Member

12-12-2012

Quote:
BerserkRequiem:
Currently the black cleaver stacks are not unique in game. If you have 3 cleavers you will proc 12 stacks of cleaver. Don't believe it, go play a custom game, farm up with a friend, and have him Talon combo you. Or Pantheon E you. You will see 3 debuff boxes come up each with 4 stacks.


On PBE they made it unique, but it still synergies way to well with Last Whisper on PBE for tanks to do anything. 70%+ is just way too much.


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hoihoi8

Member

12-12-2012

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JustMyBassCannon:
Show me a level 5 League player who can outplay a cactus and I might take anything he says about balance seriously.

Yes, Black Cleaver should have been unique from the start. At the same time, people who are having trouble with Cleaver stacking should build health instead of armor if they want to tank it. Who cares if they deal 200 true damage per attack (most likely less than 1 attack per second) when you have a 5k lifebar?


Two mages on their team have BFT. Next suggestion?


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Telitha

Senior Member

12-12-2012

Unique passive is all it needs and it'll be fine.


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TMTrainer

Senior Member

12-13-2012

Quote:
Telitha:
Unique passive is all it needs and it'll be fine.


Not exactly. Unique passive means it still stacks with Last Whisper up to 70% reduction. Still rendering Tanks that benefit from armor stacking useless.


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