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Black Cleaver nerf NEEDS to be a hotfix. It CANNOT wait.

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Voidgolem

Senior Member

12-08-2012

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kthnxbai:
that doesn't matter. it's an useless upgrade on these assassins. you basically do your burst and watch as it slowly ticks for 1-2 damage b/c they are low. i would rather put my gold even at 6 items w/ a haunting guise into double pots + oracles than upgrading haunting guise. the upgrade is THAT useless on assassins.


In that case I still do not see a reason to complain - the change to penetration calculations applies to void staff as well.


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kthnxbai

Recruiter

12-08-2012

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Commander Pony:
How about if meta tries to evolve and look for another solution instead of crying "oh noes! this is not meta! this makes meta useless! please change it!"


the meta will just be 1 cc tank jungler, 2 champions that can abuse black cleaver, an AD carry (probably one that can abuse black cleaver the most), and a support


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NotBuzzJack

Senior Member

12-08-2012

But but...I have so much fun instakilling Nidalees in ARAM as Talon.


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kthnxbai

Recruiter

12-09-2012

Quote:
Voidgolem:
In that case I still do not see a reason to complain - the change to penetration calculations applies to void staff as well.


i don't think you understand what i'm saying. prepatch, the only cost effective ways to build MR were 1) aegis on the jungler, 2) negatron, 3) GA (barely any). you won't see any of these items during mid game except for maybe the aegis. this was what made the AP assassins so strong. now they can't do true damage mid game. they can't snowball off of midgame as well as before. endgame they are actually worse off because of bulwark, even with the new penetration system.

i don't get the whole "black cleaver makes some assassins viable so it's ok" argument. TONS of assassins were played. the two top teams at IPL5 (WE and Fnatic) as well as M5 had strategies that revolved around assassins. what more do you want?


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Scarlet Wrath

Senior Member

12-09-2012

Its not that bad stop freaking out.


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Drukyul

Senior Member

12-09-2012

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OvernightSiren:
the current state of Black Cleaver has COMPLETELY destroyed the meta for people that actually enjoy playing by the meta

This has to be the absolute worst reason to nerf BC. If anything, it's a reason not to.


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kthnxbai

Recruiter

12-09-2012

Quote:
Scarlet Wrath:
Its not that bad stop freaking out.


it IS that bad. you even abuse it yourself


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Lethminite

Senior Member

12-09-2012

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Pistallion:
season 2: a greatly refined game
season 3: a complete mess, not even fun


It's not season three yet, it's PRE-season 3, thus they made crazy changes and havnt had time to refine them yet.
Give them 3 balance patches to calm things down and then compare the 2.


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PandaCodeRed

Senior Member

12-09-2012

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Commander Pony:
How about if meta tries to evolve and look for another solution instead of crying "oh noes! this is not meta! this makes meta useless! please change it!"



There are champs that like to stack armor malphite and rammus, yet even if they stack armor and hp they are basically still being dealt true damage. That isn't good when the champions that are meant to counter the ad bruisers can't do anything about it.


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Commander Pony

Senior Member

12-09-2012

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kthnxbai:
the meta will just be 1 cc tank jungler, 2 champions that can abuse black cleaver, an AD carry (probably one that can abuse black cleaver the most), and a support


And again we hit a stalemate with the social contract that LoL is, if that is the fate of meta, then it would work for both sides, not very different from having one team fed and the other one losing.