Black Cleaver nerf too much

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Revenith

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12-08-2012

wasnt even that strong and stacking them was pointless since the on hit effect only stacked up to 4 times...It was better to get a cleaver+ brute then 2 cleavers


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Koillu

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12-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Revenith View Post
wasnt even that strong and stacking them was pointless since the on hit effect only stacked up to 4 times...It was better to get a cleaver+ brute then 2 cleavers
Stacking it allowed assassins to have the full % armor pen effect up in 1-2 hits (depending on the amount of BCs)


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GreekAsTheGods

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12-08-2012

The nerf wasn't enough yet to be honest. That's coming from someone who mains ADC. The shread needs to take a bigger hit down to 20%.


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Wayward Sword

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12-08-2012

Black Cleaver was too good. Armor shread was better than Last Whispers penetration up to 300 armor, and it benefits practically everyone on the team. Either Last Whisper would have needed a buff (lol) or Black Cleaver a nerf.


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Tspiggs

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12-08-2012

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wasnt even that strong and stacking them was pointless since the on hit effect only stacked up to 4 times...It was better to get a cleaver+ brute then 2 cleavers
not about the max stacks. it was the fact that it gives a lot of stats and made it so you get max stacks faster. when one aa or spell can can shred your armor for 30% plus have 60 flat armor pen and 200 ad, thats rediculous. and about the fact that the %pen and Flat pen was nerfed also was because of the fact the even without stacking then you could destroy a tank way to easily. They nerfed armor by making it more expensive and harder to get and then buffed armor pen making it easier to negate armor. these nerfs wont get rid of assassins, they will still be just as good but not godlike.


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Malloreon

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12-08-2012

Riot always has kneejerk reactions and overnerfs things.


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Tspiggs

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12-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Wayward Sword View Post
Black Cleaver was too good. Armor shread was better than Last Whispers penetration up to 300 armor, and it benefits practically everyone on the team. Either Last Whisper would have needed a buff (lol) or Black Cleaver a nerf.
you do realize that the armor shred happens before last whisper. plus last whisper doesnt need a buff. Its 35% pen straight up. it takes 4 stacks to get 30% from bc.

with 200 armor black cleaver at 4 stacks gives 30%pen.
that leaves 140 armor. now take 35% of that and you get 91 armor.
then the flat pen of 15 leaves the enemy with 76 armor.

seriously just those two items(one of each) does that.


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SneakyAdolf

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12-08-2012

No it needed this slight nerf.. Now its perfect.


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Vigopl

Senior Member

12-08-2012

I believe they just need to make it unique. That should solve a lot of problems.


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ShiznazTM

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12-08-2012

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Originally Posted by GreekAsTheGods View Post
The nerf wasn't enough yet to be honest. That's coming from someone who mains ADC. The shread needs to take a bigger hit down to 20%.
AD carries.

The mistake of League of Legends.

Been saying it forever.