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Black Cleaver nerf too much

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Commander Amaro

Recruiter

12-08-2012

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Reynfall:
That's what I'm saying. All they had to do was make a few stats unique.

They are going WAY overboard


Clearly someone's NOT doing there job at RIOT as of late. stuff keeps getting over nerfed like Rengar and now this? what about nerfing the pants off Diana for once? makes me feel like who evers in charge is being lazy


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ZephyrDrake

Senior Member

12-08-2012

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tenrel:
wow. overreacting much?

its 5% armor, and 5 armor pen.

it's nothing. you probably wont even notice it.


it is a lot when you consider that people stacked it, now you won't be able to stack it AND have its stats reduced. It hurts the item way much more than simply "its 5% and 5 arpen"


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Knoc

Senior Member

12-08-2012

They nerfed it because as it was it made last whisper an obsolete item, it gave more dmg, gave hp, and more armor pen.


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Knoc

Senior Member

12-08-2012

also, it didn't stack, it only stacked how quickly you maxed your stacks, you could still only get 4 stacks out of it, capping you at 30% its just each attack shredded 15 instead of 7.5


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Cewelowic

Senior Member

12-08-2012

5% of armor on 100 armor is 5 armor, and 5 arpen is 5 armor.
1 armor is 1% effective health
10 arpen nerf is a 10% nerf.


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RexSaur

Senior Member

12-08-2012

It needed that nerf.

One BC a alone is just too strong, every bruiser with any physical abilities is rushing this thing, it invalidates tanks too hard, not even talking about on how it makes adcs even more stupid late game, your bruiser gets a BC and suddenly the carry has up to 30% arpen.

If they made the % a self pen instead of armor reduction then the item wouldnt need any nerf.


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Infirc

Senior Member

12-08-2012

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Tspiggs:
another thread where the person didnt do the math and believes that an item/champ will be useless

this; Black cleaver AND last whisper combo will still be strong as hell they jus twon't allow you to deal true damage to tanks now because that was wrong on all senses the stacking the damn thing to win everygame needed to go. and it still caps at 30% so it means you just need one more AA/hit to reach its full potential.

EDit :for the MORONS that don't udnerstand how ridicolously broken this thing was/is by having its stats not being unique
MATHS HERE
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2870009


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Turbo Sawka

Senior Member

12-08-2012

thats a slight nerf guys, what are u talking about.


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Mindworm Jim

Senior Member

12-08-2012

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Knoc:
They nerfed it because as it was it made last whisper an obsolete item, it gave more dmg, gave hp, and more armor pen.

I think this more than anything else is the reason. With Black Cleaver's current stats of 30% armor penetration at max stack and 15 flat penetration it is superior to Last Whisper against any target with less than 300 armor.


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imweasel09

Senior Member

12-08-2012

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tenrel:
wow. overreacting much?

its 5% armor, and 5 armor pen.

it's nothing. you probably wont even notice it.

5 armor out of 15, that's a third of the armor pen on brutalizer gone. Remember when everyone said Atma's would still be fine because it was "only .25%" and then it completely died out?