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Building Iceborn Gauntlet on Vi Should Do Something Special..

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Jimmae

Member

12-08-2012

It's not an awful item for her. She benefits at least a little from each stat. Its just that frozen mallet is generally a better item for her. It seems situational.


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CynicalGiant

Senior Member

12-08-2012

In my eyes because of how spammy she is and how well she benefits from mobility I would see more benefit from building Trinity Force than Iceborn Gauntlet. If I want tankiness I'll get Frozen Mallet.


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hcksey

Junior Member

12-08-2012

I've been playing her all day. And I can say from personal experience that TF works better on her than FM. If your not instagibbing the carry your probably not doing your job


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Ardrovan

Senior Member

12-09-2012

TF works better, she can be kited pretty easly, tf gives you mov spd, sheen proc is awesome on her and the ap and mana are not wasted, phage proc + hp and ad works with her, and the attspd helps you proc w faster and if you add a black cleaver and a hydra you got all the dmg you need(300+ad) hp cd pen lifesteal, for armor im usually running a sunfire(hp and armor) and a bulwark(more armor +60 mr(if support or jungle have them is 90 mr) and im still undecided on boots.

Boots 3 with furor + the slow mastery+ tf mov spd ur fast as hell and hard to kite or merc/tabi(with furor) for tankyness and i lose the mov from boots 3


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phar0ah1

Senior Member

12-09-2012

There is a thread that talks about different builds for Vi at this link:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2879547

But to get back to your original thread topic, it would be neat to see a unique interaction with Vi and the Iceborn Gauntlets since hey, she uses Huge Gauntlets but as most have already mentioned these aren't the best items for Vi


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VeigarOfDarkness

Senior Member

12-15-2012

Guys....you're saying that because Iceborn has AP, that its not useful. Sheen has AP, is it useful on her? Trinity force has AP, so it must be bad on her. Iceborn is an AOE slow, damage, and a great bit of armor. Not to mention iceborn is a full 800 Gold cheaper. Thats almost an extra pickaxe to build towards a bloodthirster or ravenous hydra. -_- Think about the gold cost too.


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Archeer

Recruiter

12-15-2012

But then people would complain that it's harder to tell when the effect is on, and when it's off.


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Spiku

Senior Member

12-16-2012

I don't really see that it needs a special interaction, but I do wish it was still called Frozen Fist just because Vi.

Having her simply play her selection audio "Punch first. Ask questions while punching." when you build Frozen Fist would be the most I'd want to see as a special interaction

Now, trinity force is a huge cost that provides an unreliable slow and ms boost; this will not match the stickiness of Frozen Mallet even with the speed buff. The only place where you should compare Frozen Fist is with regard to your tanky item.

Frozen Fist will be demonstrably better than Sunfire Cape in so far as it provides more sticking, and more upfront damage than the sunfire will match; Every point of armor requires a unit to take 1% more of its maximum health in physical damage to be killed. This is called effective health. A unit with 60 armor has 60% more of its maximum health in effective health, so if the unit has 1000 maximum health, it will take 1600 physical damage to kill it. What this means: by definition, armor does not have diminishing returns, because each point increases the unit's effective health against physical damage by 1% of its current actual health whether the unit has 10 armor or 1000 armor. As you move over 2000 hp, you will get more from Frozen Fist than you would Sunfire, with more overt damage in your burst than sunfire can match.

Randuin's, however, is far better a direct tanky item; it reduces -attack speed- as well as move speed, it is activateable when needed, and means that those trying to kite you will automatically be slowed from striking you.

Frozen Mallet, Randuin's and Frozen Fist will provide you a huge level of tankiness and ability to stick to anything with team utility, but would only afford you, say, Black Cleaver and Blood Thirster (or Blade of the Ruined King if you wanted the active for more stick/stacking with your W). This would leave you with no MR, no GA, and only viable if you were vs an AD heavy team.


But with regard to trinity force, you will get more from a Statikk Shiv for less, especially as you could sit on the zeal + averice blade to stack in gold. Zephr brings you better speed and Tenacity. Ghost Blade has far more impact than trinity by virtue of armor pen, activating straight after an engage or being used for the burst chase, and synergising with black cleaver.

Remember, Trinity Force got nerfed, and does NOT provide more slow than Phage does, nor a higher chance. You are actually better off just sitting on your Phage and building a specialist item for speed than upgrading to trinity force.


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Archdmon

Member

12-16-2012

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phar0ah1:
There is a thread that talks about different builds for Vi at this link:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2879547

But to get back to your original thread topic, it would be neat to see a unique interaction with Vi and the Iceborn Gauntlets since hey, she uses Huge Gauntlets but as most have already mentioned these aren't the best items for Vi


Ooh, that's my crummy thread.


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phar0ah1

Senior Member

12-16-2012

Quote:
Archdmon:
Ooh, that's my crummy thread.


Haha, the thread brought some interesting discussion on which items to build on Vi and how different ppl build her. I thought it was a decent thread and since this thread was talking about Iceborn Gauntlets on Vi, it seemed relevant. Both decent threads though!


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