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Black Cleaver pt. 2

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Wanda Sykes

Senior Member

12-08-2012

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RiotNome:
Alright, let's try this again.

Hypothetically, if... (ALL OF THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED)
1. Brutalizer's flat armor penetration did not stack with Black Cleaver or Ghostblade...
2. Black Cleaver's percent armor penetration were slightly nerfed...
3. And Brutalizer and BC's flat armor penetration are nerfed from 15 to 10...

Would it be OK to keep Black Cleaver on Dominion? Opinions, now!


I won't be happy until that stupid passive is made a "unique" passive it's way too broken to be able to get all 4 stacks with ONE ability!


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Tempestphile

Senior Member

12-08-2012

i really feel remove the hp, lower the precentage to say 6% a stack, and i am happy enough


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Cauldrath

Senior Member

12-08-2012

So, we know LW+BC is broken, but what about on the magic pen front?

Xerath gets 40% magic pen when Locus of Power is active. Void staff is 30%, like LW. Arcane Knowledge is 8%, like Weapon Expertise. Haunting Guise or BFT are 15 pen, Sorc Shoes is another 15, and you can get 20 pen from runes, so 50 flat pen total.

Final MR = MR * 0.6 * 0.7 * 0.92 - 50 = MR * 0.3864 - 50 (61% penetration)
Reduces 129 MR to 0.
Requires 388 MR to reach 100 final MR for 50% mitigation.

If you buy Haunting Guise, Void Staff, and Sorc shoes, that's what you get from 4880 gold, plus 200 health and 95 AP. Now, imagine there was an item that was the AP equivalent of nerfed Black Cleaver that let you shred 25% more, even without any flat pen added.

Final MR = MR * 0.6 * 0.7 * 0.92 * 0.75 - 50 = MR * 0.2898 - 50 (71% penetration)
Reduces 172 MR to 0.
Requires 517 MR to reach 50% mitigation.


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General Treble

Senior Member

12-08-2012

**** that. I don't wanna go back to the days of BT only openers. Do NOT **** on the black cleaver like that, please.

Ashe begs you.


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ElevenOfClubs

Senior Member

12-08-2012

Quote:
RiotNome:
Alright, let's try this again.

Hypothetically, if... (ALL OF THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED)
1. Brutalizer's flat armor penetration did not stack with Black Cleaver or Ghostblade...
2. Black Cleaver's percent armor penetration were slightly nerfed...
3. And Brutalizer and BC's flat armor penetration are nerfed from 15 to 10...

Would it be OK to keep Black Cleaver on Dominion? Opinions, now!

If and only if you get rid of/dramatically reduce global pen in aura.

SInce that's the plan, I think so.


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Zeiro

Senior Member

12-09-2012

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Cauldrath:
So, we know LW+BC is broken, but what about on the magic pen front?


I like the state of MR more right now since unlike LW+BC, not everyone can just pick up two items and render all your MR useless. It has to be Void+Innate Pen/Reduction.

I think the only ones who can do penetrate/reduce MR by percentage (and actually use it) are:
Reduction: Kayle, Nidalee
Penetration: Xerath

Personally, I don't want another item that reduces MR by percentage.


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Zuvas

Senior Member

12-09-2012

Quote:
RiotNome:
Alright, let's try this again.

Hypothetically, if... (ALL OF THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED)
1. Brutalizer's flat armor penetration did not stack with Black Cleaver or Ghostblade...
2. Black Cleaver's percent armor penetration were slightly nerfed...
3. And Brutalizer and BC's flat armor penetration are nerfed from 15 to 10...

Would it be OK to keep Black Cleaver on Dominion? Opinions, now!

BC unique passive WhErE


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OxBaker

Senior Member

12-09-2012

Seems reasonable to me. I'd like to keep as many items int eh mode as possible so long as they are reasonably balanced.


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Volandum

Senior Member

12-09-2012

There's plenty more MR reduction than just Kayle and Nid. Jayce and Karthus are two more examples, Heimer has flat reduction, as do Amumu, Morgana, Soraka, Ryze and Fiddlesticks.


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AK47WOLF

Senior Member

12-09-2012

In my opinion Black Cleaver should only stay in Dominion if Warmog's is readded. roflpenetration item needs roflhealth item to balance out. Either way BC needs to be nerfed heavily.