Black Cleaver pt. 2

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Doonhijoe V

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12-07-2012

Make all the passives unique?

Why has this not been done yet...?


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Reygekan

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12-07-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNome View Post
These are the nerfs.
That seems like a bit much.

I do think that it's most likely too strong, but lowering the %pen, the flat pen, and then not letting it stack with the other arPen options are all incredibly heavy nerfs. This is especially true when you realize that only Brutalizer gives AD any kind of flat pen to begin with.

I don't know about only making the health unique since you'd be losing stats by upgrading the item, since it builds out of a ruby crystal. Maybe change the recipe so it's a brutalizer + long sword instead of ruby crystal though, and then make the health unique after that.


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SylianEUW

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12-07-2012

I'm thinking it would probably still be too strong. Hard to say, though.


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Vsin

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12-07-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNome View Post
These are the nerfs.
IMO:
- Stick to the % nerf
- Unique Passive yes.
- If you did the previous two, there isn't much of a need to nerf the flat ArP.


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Ahlen

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12-07-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNome View Post
Alright, let's try this again.

Hypothetically, if... (ALL OF THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED)
1. Brutalizer's flat armor penetration did not stack with Black Cleaver or Ghostblade...
2. Black Cleaver's percent armor penetration were slightly nerfed...
3. And Brutalizer and BC's flat armor penetration are nerfed from 15 to 10...

Would it be OK to keep Black Cleaver on Dominion? Opinions, now!
Seems you left out if BC stacks with BC. Where are you landing on that?

Nothing on BC should stack with anything on BC. BC is actually ok as a single standalone unstackable item, none of the stats on it would even need nerfing! The problem is having 2....or 3....or 4...or 5.


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Arance

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12-07-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNome View Post
Alright, let's try this again.

Hypothetically, if... (ALL OF THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED)
1. Brutalizer's flat armor penetration did not stack with Black Cleaver or Ghostblade...
2. Black Cleaver's percent armor penetration were slightly nerfed...
3. And Brutalizer and BC's flat armor penetration are nerfed from 15 to 10...

Would it be OK to keep Black Cleaver on Dominion? Opinions, now!
Sounds good to me. I love the direction of the new BC, nice to finally have a real AD Caster itme. Only issues with it are that the numbers are obviously way out of whack and the two AD Casters who utilize it the best (Garen and Panth, by far) are probably the ones who needed the boost on Dom the least.


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Tenebrae Corvus

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12-07-2012

Sounds like a good start, it would be worth giving it a chance. Please consider keeping it on live.

Also: Brutalizer may get nerfed but, /sunglasses, it stays leet; yeah!

Finally, any chance of having Lord Van Damm's Pillager back or any other AD caster item; as now BCs and Ghostblades can't be used in unison? LVDP would be without ArPen, mostly for the AD, CDR and SV.


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Ahlen

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12-07-2012

Please don't ever add Van Damm.

It would destroy Dominion far worse than BC ever did. It would make the times of BC and BFT look like heaven by comparison.


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Redenbacher

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12-07-2012

Remove HP from the item. Nerf the % reduction slightly (25%).

I think that is all that is necessary.

To answer your question, yes. It would make it OK to keep in Dominion, however I think the HP is the problem more than anything else.


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Basist

Senior Member

12-07-2012

In the meantime of finding a fix, just disable it now please. It's getting beyond ridiculous, just ran into a team that had 9 cleavers between 3 champs...armor does nothing.