Black Cleaver

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otirruborez

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12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae Corvus View Post
Then AD casters would be just like before: getting Ionian Boots, Ghostblade, Last Whisper and some AD from Sanguine or Entropy.

The point is that Blackcleaver was the only significant AD caster item added in S3 and with its removal AD casters return to getting stats from whatever is closest to what they need; no specific item for them.
ad carry didn't get anything either. you're still a mix of bt/ie/pd/lw.

you will just have to build what was successful before until they remake cleaver.


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Ahlen

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12-06-2012

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I have a question, when BFT was released 3 weeks ago, why didnt you disable it on this map? almost 3 weeks..... it was a nightmare. Same is happening now.. dont delay this for 3 weeks... disable it ASAP. Also new DFG is ridiculous, Teemo is still an issue.
The last part especially. I am of the opinion that Teemo is god-tier on this map.

There is almost no champion that can 1v1 a good Teemo, he beats at least 70+% of the rest of the champions. And provides more map control than anyone else.

Oh you stepped on a shroom on the way to somewhere? Better have 200+ MR Or you'll be losing 33%-50% of your health before you get there.


He was strong before, but with the addition of BFT and the new S3 items...he's just become far worse.


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Talith PA

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12-06-2012

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ad carry didn't get anything either. you're still a mix of bt/ie/pd/lw.

you will just have to build what was successful before until they remake cleaver.
Incorrect. Because getting resistances takes longer / more gold, the hard AD / crit scaling of before isn't as necessary. Champions are likely to have more health but less resistances, so carries only really need AD and attack speed to do their job (DPS over time). They now have more viable builds than before.

bt/ie/pd/lw is the single target Vayne style build, just like before.

For crit AD carries also have the option of static shiv, which is really nice on any of them but is used really well by Ezreal and MF in particular.

Graves, Corki, MF, Twitch, and Draven all take advantage of Cleaver if their team has more AD champions on it.

Varus, Kog'Maw, MF, Caitlyn, and Graves all have some very good use out of Hurricane, the first two more so than the others. Combine it with blade of the ruined king for very potent results.

Ezreal and Corki now have muramana builds.

Ezreal is possibly OP with frozen fist, especially in conjunction with muramana.


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konfetarius

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12-06-2012

Incredibly annoying isn't OP by default, Talith :/


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inFe eD

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12-06-2012

But, but, Teemo/Lulu!


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Talith PA

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12-06-2012

Only thing I've ever seen stop my Kitelord Ezreal is a Kassadin.


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otirruborez

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12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Talith PA View Post
Incorrect. Because getting resistances takes longer / more gold, the hard AD / crit scaling of before isn't as necessary. Champions are likely to have more health but less resistances, so carries only really need AD and attack speed to do their job (DPS over time). They now have more viable builds than before.

bt/ie/pd/lw is the single target Vayne style build, just like before.

For crit AD carries also have the option of static shiv, which is really nice on any of them but is used really well by Ezreal and MF in particular.

Graves, Corki, MF, Twitch, and Draven all take advantage of Cleaver if their team has more AD champions on it.

Varus, Kog'Maw, MF, Caitlyn, and Graves all have some very good use out of Hurricane, the first two more so than the others. Combine it with blade of the ruined king for very potent results.

Ezreal and Corki now have muramana builds.

Ezreal is possibly OP with frozen fist, especially in conjunction with muramana.
you named a bunch of inferior items(not including bc in this discussion, as far as i'm concerned it's deleted already).

the best are still ie/bt/pd/lw.

crit is always necessary if you're an auto attacker. this is the only thing that makes them do more damage than ad casters.

you can have success with other items, but that doesn't mean it's the best for the job, which is turning the guy bull-rushing you into red mist. splitting your killing potential with piddly aoe damage or a weak magic spark every 5 seconds just keeps your target alive longer. adc's job is to focus down targets, not slowly wear down a group of people while being the main focus of the other team.

these items are just like the old black cleaver. mathematically inferior.


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PhreakInfinity

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12-06-2012

What?! Don't remove it from the game! It's just true dmg, buy HP is the answer! Hp solves true dmg, it solves all the true dmg, I swear it does. Leave it in bro, just wait for everyone to figure out they need to buy hp.


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12-06-2012

Please don't take out black cleaver, but leave the torch in!!!


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PhreakInfinity

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12-06-2012

Like ok, if you're not going to make the passive unique, then at-least give us some sort of pseudo Warmogs, it will make everything k. I swear it will.