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Black Cleaver

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A12MO12

Senior Member

12-05-2012

its so over powered in it's current state. Needs to be unique passive.
Bruisers like wukong can stack black cleavers and his ult is pretty much true damage even if you have armor.

Any bruiser with a low cd physical damage skill just became strong as hell ( riven, garen, pantheon, wukong, hecarim, etc)

there is no "itemization" whoever has more cleavers wins.

edit: 300 armor darius melted like butter vs a wukong with 3 black cleavers and a LW, he was doing pretty much True dmg to him.


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Skulleer

Member

12-05-2012

vs before where the Darius would annihilate 3-4 people...bummer.


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SoBeNirvana

Adjudicator

12-05-2012

Quote:
Sakuri Ono:
In time for...what? It's not exactly like Dom has Ranked coming right out the gate of S3 or any major Riot-Name-Brand Tournaments around the bend. A proper, slow solution is better than a half-effort, quick one. I'd rather have the Unique Passive option be implemented at a guaranteed rate of 'Soon TM' than either of these granted as the 'end of the matter fix' by next patch.


This. If you have to hotfix it out now until next patch, then do it. Either way, suck it up and plan on making a Dominion version of it ASAP.


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SylianEUW

Senior Member

12-05-2012

I'd like to have it removed, at least until it's reasonable balanced. So option 2, for now. I certainly don't want the next 2-3 tournament to be dominated by BC stacking.


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Ahlen

Senior Member

12-05-2012

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RiotNome:
Between the two options:
1. Keep Black Cleaver as-is
2. Remove from Dominion

Which would you choose and why? Keep in mind the global penetration aura is being removed.


Make everything on it 100% unique.

Also BFT is still too powerful, it needs an ICD not lower charges/burn speed.


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Hardware

Junior Member

12-05-2012

Remove it, the primary AD Casters/Bruisers were fine without it, it's just causing unnecessary chaos really.


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cwcriner

Senior Member

12-05-2012

keep it.


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Grantson

Senior Member

12-05-2012

The item itself is not bad, it's stacking them that causes inbalance.

Building 1 Brutalizer and 1 Last whisper is probably just the right amount of armor pen without the global aura +12% armor pen.

The 4th poster on the first page is getting thumb's up. That means his idea is good which is making the core item brutalizer +15 armor pen unique to prevent stacking abuse.


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ViolentlyCar

Senior Member

12-05-2012

2 until it can be balanced.


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Sauron

Senior Member

12-05-2012

On one hand, it's outshining all the other items because it's strong and it becomes even stronger when stacked.

On the other hand, the list of viable champions has grown drastically, because so many underpowered champions can now contribute and so many underpowered mages can nuke the hell out of all these new glass cannons doing so. You have no idea how good it felt to kill a tank Kassadin last night 1v1 as a ranged ADC (a situation that Kassadin is supposed to lose because he's a ganker and not a duelist).

If you really can't just make a copypaste version with unique'd stats called "Black Cleaver (Dominion)", then I'm afraid I'm going to have to say to take it out. It's fun, it's making lots of champs viable and is a great counter to the regular BS OP champs, and it is certainly better than last week's BFT meta... but it is really not good for the health or playstyle of the mode.

Do bring us the unique'd version as soon as possible though... a single Black Cleaver is much more balanced and is a godsend to many underpowered ADCs.