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### More Cleavers!!!!!

Cherryboy916

Junior Member

Quote:
zimike:
Its worse actually, even though its multiplicative, if you put last whisper in there.

30% shred from cleaver, 35% pen from last whisper, 12% aura, 8% mastery
then additonal 25-30% shred from j4, wk etc.

gives you 73%+ shred/pen before flat pen.

I just played a Sona game, build iceborn, frozen heart, had 230 armor. Ran into a Jarmander, he has a built in 26% shred, 2x cleaver and whisper.

230 armor with 73% reduction is 53. With the flat pen from double cleavers and runes/masteries, I had 0 armor for having build 230. Literally 0 armor for 2 major armor items.

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prepatch math

45 flat reduc from cleaver
lets say 15 flat pen from runes and 6 from masteries
then 40% last whisper, 12% aura, 10% mastery, 26% j4 = 64.8% pen or 35.2% left

so from 230 that would've left you with 57.7 armor

Yokel85

Senior Member

In case anyone was wondering, here's how the math works in OP's post.

total armor*(1-.08)(1-.12)(1-.3)(1-.15) = armor after percent reduction and pen

(100 armor -> ~48) - 56 = 0 (pen is not reduction and can't go below 0)
(200 armor -> ~96) - 56 = ~40
(300 armor -> ~145) - 56 = ~89

It's still a huge nerf to armor against people stacking pen, but not quite as bad as it looks in the OP.

Senior Member

Quote:
Cherryboy916:
prepatch math

45 flat reduc from cleaver
lets say 15 flat pen from runes and 6 from masteries
then 40% last whisper, 12% aura, 10% mastery, 26% j4 = 64.8% pen or 35.2% left

so from 230 that would've left you with 57.7 armor

58 armor gives 37% damage reduction. 58 armor to 0 armor is HUGE.

DSpyder

Senior Member

% Pen is multiplicative correct? If so none of your math is correct.

Senior Member

It is multiplicative. Where did I screw up? If I had been doing additive I would have ended with 111% instead of 73%.

Manse

Senior Member

came for bft mundo thread, leaving disappointed.

Infirc

Senior Member

Quote:
Lindre:
Oh, so that's why even with 200+ armor/MR I was getting hit as if I had zero armor/MR yesterday. Armor went from being overpowered, to being almost useless in a single patch

Fun.

I'm no game designer, but I honestly have to wonder how broken **** like this manages to make it past both the designers, QA, and PTR testing to live. I mean, really? Come on.

easy, People on the Pbe are doing it wrong, i hereby suggest that we should ban all the pbe accounts and unban thsoe hata ctually passed data and feedback, isntead of those that jsut wanted o try out shiny new items and no give feedback".

Malah

Senior Member

Quote:
Lindre:
Oh, so that's why even with 200+ armor/MR I was getting hit as if I had zero armor/MR yesterday. Armor went from being overpowered, to being almost useless in a single patch

Fun.

I'm no game designer, but I honestly have to wonder how broken **** like this manages to make it past both the designers, QA, and PTR testing to live. I mean, really? Come on.

The same reason BFT ever saw the light of day; none of them have a drop of common sense or logic.