Do you think the future is inevitable?

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poe tay toes

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12-01-2012

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Where did I assume that?
the existence of an inevitable future means that there are no other possible futures.



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I'd argue that this amounts to saying that there are many possible futures, but only one actual future, which is consistent with what I'm saying.
no, only one future becomes true, and only when it becomes the present. until then, it is undetermined. basically what you're saying is that if you stand on your roof and drop a leaf, it will land on the ground and you can't affect where it goes. i'm saying you won't know where it will land, you can alter its course and landing point (even if you don't know exactly how you'll affect them) and other factors can change its course as well. all you know is that it will land somewhere and any person walking by or opening a nearby window can change it.



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But the question of which " 'will happen' happens" is a question of what will happen, and so by your first claim, is unchangeable.
nope. the only inevitable thing is that something will happen. the what of it can change until it has happened.



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My argument did not imply or assume that there is only one possible future.
"Therefore the future is inevitable." = no possible alternatives


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Rahgar

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12-01-2012

Does it matter?


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Kodoku

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12-01-2012

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the existence of an inevitable future means that there are no other possible futures.
Not true. When you flip a coin, physics determine the result. The result is inevitable. Yet both heads and tails are possible futures.

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basically what you're saying is that if you stand on your roof and drop a leaf, it will land on the ground and you can't affect where it goes
Not true. Of course you can affect where it goes - you can swing your arm and hit the leaf, affecting it. Your actions are part of what determines the future. There are two very different things here: whether you can make it so the leaf goes somewhere other than where it will in fact go (impossible) and whether or not you can be a factor in where it goes (possible).

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nope. the only inevitable thing is that something will happen. the what of it can change until it has happened.
I don't know what this means.

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"Therefore the future is inevitable." = no possible alternatives
See coin flip example.

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Does it matter?
Not really, no. But a surprisingly large quantity of (mostly) sloppy theorizing has been done about it.


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Bilbosky

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12-01-2012

Fine, I'll bite. You're using circular reasoning and tossing in semantics to mix things up a bit. All you did in your post was to assert that "what will happen" and "inevitable" are identical, which they are, and then restate your premise with a different wording. Your post is still a troll, just a bit more complex than I initially thought.


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Kodoku

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12-01-2012

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All you did in your post was to assert that "what will happen" and "inevitable" are identical, which they are, and then restate your premise with a different wording.
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That's basically a summary of what a deductive argument is.


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Antarctica

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12-01-2012

I believe our existance is like a book that is still being written. It has a set beginning, middle, and end while only the specifics can be changed.


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Jesus the Friend

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12-01-2012

Philosophically speaking, the past and future are only concepts in your mind.

Only reality matters.


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Kodoku

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12-01-2012

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Philosophically speaking, the past and future are only concepts in your mind.

Only reality matters.
So there was no past or future before there were minds?


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Jesus the Friend

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12-01-2012

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So there was no past or future before there were minds?
No, there wasn't, "time" as we know it was only measured in events.

Back before life existed, this was measured in cosmic events, like the union of particles and mass, followed by the big bang, followed by.. etc etc.

Once we came into play, we began to perceive what we know as "time".

BUT OF COURSE, this is all philosophy. Scientifically speaking, time is a universal measurement that cannot be denied.


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Kodoku

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12-01-2012

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No, there wasn't, "time" as we know it was only measured in events.

Back before life existed, this was measured in cosmic events, like the union of particles and mass, followed by the big bang, followed by.. etc etc.

Once we came into play, we began to perceive what we know as "time".

BUT OF COURSE, this is all philosophy. Scientifically speaking, time is a universal measurement that cannot be denied.
Philosophy is not another word for "rubbish nonsense", even if a lot of it happens to be that.