Top AP Damage Champions?

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CerealBoxOfDoom

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11-18-2012

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really, no mention of Katarina?
katarina's damage is nothing special. Its just convinient to deliver, like a right click champ but with a bit more risk


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Kadajko

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11-18-2012

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It is insincere to add lichbane to his ratios. Anyone can get lichbane.
I think that it is a lot more hard for other AP characters actually reliably activate lichbane every 2 seconds. Only Ryze can maybe also do it, but he doesn't do it from a safe distance either.


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Resolute Riven

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11-19-2012

Veigar the Tiny Master of Evil


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KobaltKode

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11-19-2012

Karthus and Cassiopeia are top two easily!

People generally think of damage on APs as burst as opposed to actual DPS. These two champions have moderate ratios which if used right basically have little or almost no cooldowns what so ever. In terms of the damage any AP can do over the course of 10 seconds they are easily the best. Especially when you consider the AoE nature of most of their abilities.

Highest single target burst is AP tristana by far, followed by a fed Veigar and Leblanc. Though Veigar at his base is not himself a great burst caster, but his 1k+ AP end game is the reason he is on the list.


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Orbv

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11-19-2012

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Karthus and Cassiopeia are top two easily!

People generally think of damage on APs as burst as opposed to actual DPS. These two champions have moderate ratios which if used right basically have little or almost no cooldowns what so ever. In terms of the damage any AP can do over the course of 10 seconds they are easily the best. Especially when you consider the AoE nature of most of their abilities.

Highest single target burst is AP tristana by far, followed by a fed Veigar and Leblanc. Though Veigar at his base is not himself a great burst caster, but his 1k+ AP end game is the reason he is on the list.
Totally agree. Cass' only issue is that her ult range is so small and even a remote angle away from forward can consider people facing away. There is also this bug where after using her ult, some of her abilities go on cooldown as if you had just used them. However, she and karthas have disgusting dmg. It's not bursty, but if you ever look at leblanc's damage after the game, she will never have even half of what they have. Plus they can both farm because they are aoe, and from safe distances.


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TehN3wbPwnr

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11-19-2012

lol actually ap trist has crazy burst damage just hella long cd, first game with her i went 27/4 xD
but she isnt all that viable compared to say cass, leblanc, anivia etc
i find karthus really easy to rape in lane, alot of the time his kills are usually ks or just finishing off an enemy top or bot lane and not on me


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Orbv

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11-19-2012

yeah, you can't really stop Karth from getting enough gold to build a lot of damage though. That's his gift to those he can't kill in lane.


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Technician Tim

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11-19-2012

id say in terms of pure damage output in a teamfight top 5 are
1. viegar-low cooldowns on spells that can do around 700 damage, plus that ult..
2. leblanc-single target stuff, but that single target is dead
3.karthus-no one really strong spells, but all the AoE, the 1000 damage ult hitting 5 people, and 7 seconds of assured presence in the fight help
4. orianna-constant, low cd, medium damage poking, with cc to keep you in range, with her constant, scaling auto-attacks
5. katarina-2000 damage to 3 champs in 2 seconds? not the highest in the league but its about the fastest dump of damage youre going to see


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DeckerR

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05-26-2013

Crowstorm.

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Z The Slayer

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05-26-2013

I would say Veigar. He's hard countered by Merc Treads, but it's not that hard to have 400 AP with just a few items and his AP ratios are rather high (60% on his Q, 100% on his W, 120% on his ult +80% of the target's) and considering these usually all hit at the same time, we can just calculate the total burst damage straight off of the numbers without having to factor in human error.

260 damage Q, 320 damage W, 500 damage ult for 1080 base damage.

+280% of ability power. Let's assume he has 500 by end game. That's an additional 1400 for a total of 2480 damage in one burst. This is without including Deathfire Grasp, your ability power and magic resist/void staff.

With Deathfire, that's an additional 15% of your maximum health and increases magic damage dealt by 20%. So that makes 2976 damage, plus 15% of your life and 80% of your ability power.

That's 3k damage in 2 seconds. More if you're a tank or mage.