Elementz Tier List Moved Down To Tier 2

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imasofast

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10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by Markoth View Post
You do realize in his Tier list it says in big letters, "This is my own opinion"
The problem is so many people swear by that tier list. If something is publicly accepted as a reference for champion selection, then I don't see why it's up for scrutiny as well. Heck, this post itself is going to be judged in some shape or form, and that's ok. Putting a "This is my own opinion" CYA statement at the top of a thread doesn't make all comments against it illegal.


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SoggyPants

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10-07-2010

Ya, the op is a little too hostile but he is right. Galio shouldn't be "the top competitive pick" in a game. He is an awesome hero; probably slightly OP even, but he should not be considered the top competitive pick.

Saying he is better than Amumu is just flat out ridiculous too. Galio does some things way better than Amumu, but nothing can beat Amumu as a tank and initiator. Instant initiation + AE stun + AE damage = team fight is over. It doesn't matter if 3 out of the 5 enemies cleanse out of Amumu's ult...2 are dead and the team fight is over.

Galio's ult can easily be cleanesed out of and walked away from to take no damage. And there is plenty of time to interrupt it. He nukes too hard and for too long range considering he's a tank, and his passive is OP in it's basic principle, but he is not Amumu and he should not be the #1 competitive pick. Hell, if he is picked first just go with AD heavy champs and he is suddenly worth a lot less to the enemy team.


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SoggyPants

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10-07-2010

Also, moving Miss Fortune, Tristana, and Twitch down to tier 2 seems odd to me...


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LotionExplosion

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10-07-2010

Personally, TF should be lowered. The only reason He dominated CLG that one game was because they didn't get fortify, teleport, or any champion who can deal with backdooring.


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SoggyPants

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10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by LotionExplosion View Post
Personally, TF should be lowered. The only reason He dominated CLG that one game was because they didn't get fortify, teleport, or any champion who can deal with backdooring.
Ya, TF is a **** champion overall but he is extremely effective in very special circumstances. Flashbacks to his former days of glory...but it doesn't suddenly make him a good champ again. It just makes him very useful in certain situations.


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MetalHev

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10-07-2010

It's a TROLLSTORM!


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MakoEffect

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10-07-2010

So....wild card spam isnt' possible? I run an AP tf, cut peoples health down over and over with wild cards, when it's time for a kill flash forward with gold card and it's over. Can't support the mana?! He has a ****ing skill that gives him enough mana back for wildcards, the bonus damage from blue card is actually alot, then right after you can toss your wildcards again. It's a never ending cycle.


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Tipzntrix

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10-07-2010

If Riot uses elementz's tier list as a guide to balancing the game, that's their fault.


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Krazikarl

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10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by LyallEverard View Post
It seems that after WCG, Elementz Tier List is more about venting personal bias than actually providing a means of comparison for champions. His team ran the typical cookie cutter tier 1 compositions and still didn't manage to roflstomp everything in their way without even trying. Most offensive to him, the EU team won a match using none other than Twisted Fate, so long considered non-viable in his list.
If you wanted to whine and moan about a specific tier list, you could have just posted in that thread.

But anyway, its probably a lot easier to get outraged when you make things up and then whine about what you just made up.

TF wasnt "non-viable". He was tier 3, which is clearly stated as viable. Its less desirable than higher tiers in general, which is an accurate assessment of TF. TF is a great in very specific lineups with very specific strategies. He is not so great in most lineups with most (NA especially) strategies. Because TF was shown to be the key to some very specific strategies that CLG did not anticipate, he got moved up a little bit. Whatever.

In any case, CLG pretty much did roflstomp once they figured out how to counter one specific strategy. Once they fixed the whole side laning issue, they dominated - games 2 and 3 of the finals werent really that close (game 3 was a complete stomping). This is widely said, on both the NA and EU forums, to be due to the fact that CLG simply had better champ lineups than SKGaming. That seems like a vindication of CLG's tiering of champs to me.

Every once in a while the generic tiering that Elementz writes about might fail to specific unanticipated strategies. But, IN GENERAL, they are pretty solid. This doesnt mean that everybody should take them as the absolute truth, but they are a good list to get a general idea of the quality of champs at high levels.


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Unclephillip

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10-07-2010

This guy just destroyed the noob bible.

+1 OP