Elementz Tier List Moved Down To Tier 2

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Lance Eliot

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10-07-2010

It seems that after WCG, Elementz Tier List is more about venting personal bias than actually providing a means of comparison for champions. His team ran the typical cookie cutter tier 1 compositions and still didn't manage to roflstomp everything in their way without even trying. Most offensive to him, the EU team won a match using none other than Twisted Fate, so long considered non-viable in his list.


So, what does he do?


"Galio moved to tier 1 - My experience at WCG basically told me he is the #1 competitive pick in the game because of a few things. 1) As other tanks, it's EXTREMELY hard to initiate on him without basically screwing yourself. 2) He's like a lesser mage even while being a complete tank. His Q and E spam do decent damage and both have long range so his poke is incredibly strong too for a tank as well. His ulti does a lot of damage as well. Nothing like a well timed CC / Burst with your team to provide some insane overall utility. He also CS's really well. He's just an amazing tank and his spot at the top imo is well deserved."


Okay, this is just hilarious. Nice try, Elementz. Up until recently, Galio has been considered perfectly balanced, if not underpowered. Even after your butthurt tier swap, many players still acknowledge him to be Tier 2/Tier 3.

Newsflash: Just because you find an enemy champ annoying to lane against doesn't make him OP. Yes, Galio is amazing at laning and farming. No, he is not the best tank in the game. That is still Amumu, a fact which cannot be denied by anyone of intellectual sufficiency. Galio lacks an initiate and is easier to counter than Amumu, while lacking Amumu's jungling abiliity. In fact, Galio is actually rather squishy by tank standards until mid/late game, making him a mage/support until he gets the proper gear.

Is Galio a good tank? Yes. In fact, I'd consider him to one of the 4 best tanks.... But he is by no means the best. Hell, he might not even be Tier 1 material.

I just hope that this already balanced character doesn't end up getting nerfs because of your actions.


"Twisted Fate moved to tier 2 - YAYAYA, EU THIS, EU THAT, TAKE THAT ELEMENTZ TIER LIST. I AM ONLY HUMAN YOU ANIMALS, I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF LIKE 62 CHAMPIONS AND HAVE THEM ALL RIGHT ALL THE TIME GODDDDDDDDDD DAMMMMITTT LEAVE ME BE. Wild card spam, + on demand stun + being so incredibly annoying and so god **** good at back dooring. He's very very very good in the right team comp but if you're not setup to have him on your team he won't be as amazing as he was in WCG. He will still be a good champion but what truly makes him shine is when he's on the right team comp."

What? Twisted Fate may have been the counter to your one cookie cutter team build in one match, but that was because YOU GOT OUTPLAYED. Twisted Fate still suffers from no escape, poor movespeed, poor durability, and lackluster range. Yes, he has an on demand stun, but this stun puts him into the range of other stuns. He takes a highly skilled player to be made viable, though in the right hands and on the right team, he can certainly be potent as he was in the WCG. Simply put, he's niche. Tier 3 at best. Oh, and "Wild Card spam" means nothing. His mana can't support Wild Card spam unless he is running an AP build with a proper sized mana pull or mana management.... and for what..... a mediocre damage ability that flies so ridiculously slow it can easily be dodged? All it does in most situations is force people to move a couple inches.

So to take out your rage on the character for showing that your team (and your tier list) was not perfect, you bump him up WAY too high on the tier list to ensure he'll never get the buffs that have been BEGGED for for months.




Oh, and this one is unrelated but I felt like I had to address it.

Nidalee moved to tier 4 - So what does she do in a team fight? She push's lanes! Okay but what does she do in a team fight..? She's really fast and good in a 1v1 situation! Alright but what does she do in a team fight? She can turn into a cougar and kite people all day long!! BUT WHAT DOES SHE DO IN A TEAM FIGHT! OKAY OKAY, YOU GOT ME, SHE DOES NOTHING AT ALL, /CRY. So she really doesn't do ANYTHING AT ALL when it comes to a team fight. Like it's amazing how little she does when it comes to a team fight. Team fights are super important to win a competitive game. Why would I give Nidalee a solo lane when so many other champions can do everything she does but then actually help in a team fight. I honestly wanted to put her in "hard to place on a team" tier but the thing keeping her in is that fact that she can 100% shut down a lot of top tier champions in a lane. She can really mess some champions world up giving you a very strong Nidalee early and mid game. So if you take advantage of that then she can be viable. Otherwise I keep asking myself. What does she do...?


The better question is.... what doesn't she do? She provides excellent map awareness, helps get allies fed with her ganking abilities, keeps the enemies underfarmed with her laning abilities, and that's just OUT of teamfights. In teamfights, a good Nidalee throws precise spears for high burst damage, uses cougar form with a Lich Bane to get Akali-grade burst very quickly and repeatably, and uses a powerful healing ability to help keep the carry alive and even make said carry more dangerous with increased attack speed. Throw this on Kog'Maw? Suddenly, you've got a very dead enemy team. Nidalee is like an AP burst carry/support.

But you should know all this, considering HotShotGG of CLG is very fond of Nidalee.

She's definitely Tier 3 material.



Oh, and...

"Nunu moved up in tier 3 - This is a biased move. I like Nunu. He's hella fun. I don't care what you think. I think he should be moved up a bit. I like pressing R and having the other team panic. Let's hope Riot buffs him because he's so fun I wish he was a lot more viable."

Did you just admit to moving a character up based solely on personal bias? Sure, Nunu could be very effective if set up just right with his team comp.... but he is still so easy to counter. I might be being a little harsh here. He is definitely Tier 3 material.... just very low in Tier 3. He is certainly NOT more effective than Karthus, Mordecaiser, Singed, or Gragas, assuming all characters are played to their potential.



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I'm not trying to call you out because of some disrespect. I normally agree with your tier list to a fair extent and think that you do a lot of the LoL community with it.... but I have to say something, as this was not a good move by you at all. One does not save face from a so-called "disgrace" by bumping characters you underestimated in tier to ridiculously generous levels. Your word shapes much of the community opinion and often effects the game itself... and now you've used that power to ensure that characters that have gotten on your nerves are nerfed (or atleast prevented from getting overdue buffs.)


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Markoth

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10-07-2010

You do realize in his Tier list it says in big letters, "This is my own opinion"


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Insozz

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10-07-2010

I don't see the point of this thread. It is his opinion, I don't understand why everyone is crying about it.


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hashinshin

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10-07-2010

He destroyed my bible !


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Zulmokaa

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10-07-2010

Wow op way to waste time typing all the up just to go owned by the first post.


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Warscythes

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10-07-2010

Is his opinion. Looks like you have a different one.

ohgodskyisfalling.


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Abedeus

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10-07-2010

Was with you until you said TF shouldn't be AP. Want AD carry? Pick Tristana or Twitch or Ashe or MF or hell, even Corki. TF should be only AP.


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SethCypher

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10-07-2010

So you have an opinion about someone else's opinion so you can hate while you hate...go figure.


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Squirrel Lord

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10-07-2010

You do understand that his tier list has never been anything but personal bias? They're his opinions of the champions, nothing more.

Also, being on Tier 1 doesn't make something OP, it makes it a strong pick. Moving Galio up is him acknowledging that Galio is a good character, not him complaining about him being too powerful.


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LegendaryCaoCao

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10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by livelavalive View Post
I don't see the point of this thread. It is his opinion, I don't understand why everyone is crying about it.
New to the forums eh?