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@IronStylus: I am very disappointed in you and the art team.

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OneWhoYOLOs

Senior Member

11-17-2012

OH NO! BOOBS?! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?!

Don't like it? Don't play it. Simple as that. I don't get why people complain so much about this game yet keep on playing it. I hated DiabloIII, thus I quit the game. Never went back on it.


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FailTsukkomi

Senior Member

11-17-2012

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Epicn00b:
That needs to be her judgement. THAT IS HER JUDGEMENT. (or, at least, part of her background/story/lore)

On the side note.......If they were to give her boobs, then the lore would have to state that she was once a human. Cuz, you know, a mermaid is a....fish? Yeah, a fish! And fish don't have boobs, because fish are not mammals!


Expert on Mermaid physiology. Since they exist and all.

On that subject, Elf ears are actually 20% less pointy in real life compared to most fantasy depictions.


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Corwynt

Senior Member

11-17-2012

People really try to go out of their way to be offended anymore. I guess being offended is what all the cool kids are doing. OMG they put breasts on female characters!


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Rograden

Senior Member

11-17-2012

Why does a female design have to be based on how easy and awesome it is for you to fap to.

Look at Draven, that's no girls heart throb.. ever..
he's ugly as ****, and I love it.

Look at poppy. No boobs, happy.


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FailTsukkomi

Senior Member

11-17-2012

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Corwynt:
People really try to go out of their way to be offended anymore. I guess being offended is what all the cool kids are doing. OMG they put breasts on female characters!


I don't even know what the complaints are really about this time.

Okay, Diana, Zyra, Syndra I could kinda understand. They all had the same "dark, pointy, and edgy" feel to them. Yeah, it was getting a little tiring since it was basically 3 in a row.

But Nami's friggin adorable - basically the polar opposite in feel. So uh... ****, she has boobs. Yeah let's complain about that.


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Imperfectable

Senior Member

11-17-2012

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Rograden:
Look at Draven, that's no girls heart throb.. ever..


Lies. Blatant, scandalous lies!


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Męw

Senior Member

11-17-2012

I actually have been kinda upset about the sexualization of females for quite a while...

...but I thought Nami was pretty, and besides, she's a mermaid. Mermaids are supposed to be like that, and her boobs aren't even that big in comparison to other champs lol. Nothing wrong with her whatsoever. And she has a distinct personality which is also enjoyable. I'm buying the bundle for her, so, screw you OP.


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Laquert

Senior Member

11-17-2012

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Diablosangelis:
In the case of Tomb Raider especially, you have a case where Misogyny is clearly being portrayed in a negative light: this is an assumption, as I haven't played the game, but I think its a fair assumption. If anything, it's bringing to light the fact that evil people will torture someone (man or woman), and that torture, particularly for women, if often sexual in nature. Unless the portrayal of it is somehow twisted into a positive thing, it's portraying awful treatment of a female character as negative. Admittedly, using sexualized torture to move a plot line is disturbing... but torture to advance a plot line or character development is not uncommon, with both female and male victims.


There are two things I take issue which here:

1. While misogyny being portrayed negatively is somewhat true, the biggest backlash that came behind the almost rape scene wasn't that it was an almost rape. It was because a dev went out on record and stated that the objective was to cause players (a player base assumed to be male) to want to protect a vulnerable Lara. This undermines the use of the misogyny because the objective stops being "I want to see Lara, a vulnerable character, overcome adversity" to "I, the male player, want to protect Lara, a vulnerable female, from dangerous men."

2. You're assuming that there is an equivalence to sexualized torture in media. I don't think that's true. Compare the torture scene in Casino Royale to the almost rape from Tomb Raider. Do you think they are equal? Are the torturers receiving the same gratification from their actions?

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I can't comment on the Metroid case as I don't know the circumstances, although I'd imagine the individual in question had some power over her--otherwise it doesn't make sense. In that case, you have a negative figure with power over a hero character that is behaving in a negative fashion towards the hero for some purpose.


In this example the issue was that Samus, our female hero, is in canon a powerful and independent figure. However, in Other M she doesn't suffer from the Bag of Spilling: she starts the game with all the cool toys we've seen her use in all other games. However, she chooses not to use them until her ex-boyfriend informs her she can. In this example, the female hero has no independence: she starts with all the tools she needs to beat the game, but the player is incapable of using them until a male authority informs her she can, and throughout the game yields to this authority's opinion.

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I respect and understand that portrayal of debasing and vile behavior against women is inherently negative--but its necessary to have a mature story line with a female protagonist. Otherwise, we'd still be having the argument about having female heroes.

If anything, the more open portrayal of misogyny in video games could be seen as a move towards equal treatment within the media. I believe instances where the behavior is more subtle are, in fact, more problematic--i.e. the prevalence of female characters in support roles throughout RPGs.


The problem here isn't that open abuse of women is bad (because no abuse of anyone should be acceptable): it's that we are allowing gender to dictate what types of abuse is "okay" and what isn't. The very idea that hating a woman based on her gender is a step towards equal treatment is obscene because no one ever portrays a character who hates men for the fact they are men, and has that character accepted as reasonable. The treatments are unequal because they are not compatible across gender.

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TL,DR: Misogyny, while terrible, is necessary for a mature plot line with a female hero. It could simply be seen as equal treatment of male and female heroes, as male heroes have been hated/tortured by the villain in media for millenia.


This thought is poison. It is poison because the genders of these villains are men, and there is no male parallel for misogyny that is considered mature and taken seriously.

Take those scenes from before and reverse the genders. Is Casino Royale's torture scene the same if James Bond is a woman? If the villain is a woman? Is Lara's almost rape the same if she were a man and the attacker a woman?

Also, mandatory tropes vs women link:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games


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RNGKnght

Senior Member

11-17-2012

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IronStylus:
50 pages.. no way I can read every one of these posts. To sum up though, despite what you may think, I am not the single point of failure in a scenario where a busty lady makes it through our pipeline. I'm here to be one of many voices that chimes in when appropriate. Can I flip a table or two? Absolutely, if I deem it unnecessary. I really wasn't too terribly concerned about Nami because, well, I think she's a cool design.

Did I notice the ruffles revealing some fish flesh? Yeah, I saw it months ago. Did I think it was particularly a good idea to poo-poo the design when it was on its way, when it was gathering momentum, and when it was being passionately worked on by the artist? Hell no. This will be this particular artist's first champion ever in the game. It's her show in that regard. I didn't find the cleavage to be a monumental red flag.

When I saw the concept I was like.. look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think this concept's complete? Wouldn't you think she's the girl, the girl that has, everything? Look at those frills, how they unfold. How many wonders can one mermaid hold? Looking around here you think, sure, she's got everything. She's got flippers and scepters a plenty. She's got dashes and splashes galore. You want complementary curves? She's got twenty. But who cares, no big deal, she wants more.

She wants to be where the players are, she wants to see, wants to see them fighting, thinking inside of those, what do you call them? Oh, brains! Flipping to mid you don't get to far. Supports are required for healing, casting, strolling along on that.. what's that word again? Lane! Up where they toss, up where they stun, up where they lane all day in the sun, wandering free, wished she could be, part of that role.

What would she pay, if she could play, out of those waters? What sort of gift, would let her lift, up to the game? Betcha in the rift, they get the drift, that they appreciate their healers. Crowd controllers, supporting rollers, ready to sustain, and ready to help with Carry's job. Lock up the gankers and get some assists. What's a Baron, and how does it, what's the word? Buff! When's it enough? Wouldn't they love, love to play some support up above?

Out of the sea.

Wished she could be.

Part of that roll.



..tune in next time when I explain our champion creation process akin to how the mice put together Cinderella's dress.


This is why the parrot is my favorite red.


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o Troncat

Member

11-17-2012

You're like one of those highschoolers posting very needless drama on facebook.
Just enjoy the game.