I'm trying out the new jungle in the pbe

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Majestic Fetus

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11-16-2012

Lee Sin machete start (golems) with "leash"
Finishes red buff at 3:30
Lee Sin machete start (golems) without leash
Finishes red buff at 3:40
Both finish with around 450~ health

Maokai machete start (wolves) without leash
Finishes red buff at 3:26 with around 480~ health

Diana machete start (wolves) without leash
Finishes red buff at 3:32 with around 540~ health



Some info for you guys
only looked at that champions that i was interested in
Seems like skipping out golems will leave you healthier or have a slightly faster clear

I wouldn't say Lee Sin is trash tier now but he's a bit worse off (I do think you exaggerated a tad in the first post)
I don't have the PBE client but im willing to bet that he'd be slightly better off if he skipped golems too


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Majestic Fetus

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11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by CrazedPorcupine View Post
He knows all this, that's why he bashed himself when he cleared wolves so fast that he threw the sapling at blue before it even spawned.
Didn't have the sound on ;s

I'm wondering if it's still viable to go wraiths first with 3 saplings and then run to blue like you'd usually do with maokai


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DarkRaiiin

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11-16-2012

Am I the only one who read the diary part in Jill's RE3 voice?

"Somehow...I am still alive."


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Durzaka

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11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by AriesMajor View Post
They did WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

it builds from long sword now and has AD.


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KaruiHayate

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11-16-2012

life steal runes needed now?


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lilheartless

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11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by Clonker Bonker View Post
Didn't have the sound on ;s

I'm wondering if it's still viable to go wraiths first with 3 saplings and then run to blue like you'd usually do with maokai
wolves are now worth more if u don't start wolves and go wolves blue wraiths wolves red wraiths

u will then have to go wraiths blue wolves wraiths red wolves which means way more back and forth and now that u are losing about 15 - 20 movement speed for ur initial clear by not starting boots its just way to much back and forth to be optimal especially since big wraith starts with 750 health and there is no way u can kill it without hitting it about 4 - 5 times after 3 saps go off with a timed throw to get the initial nuke damage on the third......

tl;dr much more optimal to start wolves now that they are worth more.


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LSA

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11-16-2012

How is Shaco in the new jungle?


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Eat Orange Be K

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11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by lilheartless View Post
wolves are now worth more if u don't start wolves and go wolves blue wraiths wolves red wraiths

u will then have to go wraiths blue wolves wraiths red wolves which means way more back and forth and now that u are losing about 15 - 20 movement speed for ur initial clear by not starting boots its just way to much back and forth to be optimal especially since big wraith starts with 750 health and there is no way u can kill it without hitting it about 4 - 5 times after 3 saps go off with a timed throw to get the initial nuke damage on the third......

tl;dr much more optimal to start wolves now that they are worth more.
Wolves are actually worth less now actually, they just scale better, so you need to factor that.

Also, a lot of champions who opted to do wolves twice rather than golems- because of them being easier and dispatched with aoe- will find it just as easy to just go golems now that wolves are tougher.


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TheWildHamBeast

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11-16-2012

What about Rammus?


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Call Me Khal

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11-16-2012

How's Volibear doing, the fear could be helpful with these new mobs.