Loading Border Should Be Based on Queue

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Toysoldier

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11-15-2012

Border should be based on top rating just like profile banner.


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F3ls0ng

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11-15-2012

I've played with close to a dozen gold+ players over the last couple days. Every single one of them fed, EVERY ONE. these are 1200 elo games and normals. Its a joke. They get harassed by their teams almost always. I'd rather just not see them, it ruins the game because if they doing bad it lowers the morale of the whole team.
Because people have the retarded notion that gold+ players are amazing.


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Forgetmenow

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11-15-2012

I love my gold border. It's the only reward that actually makes me feel like I did something.


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QQ Bro

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11-15-2012

I like it the way it is. Loading boarders should indicate a players general skill (solo que), not how good they are at having a 3k elo player on their ranked team or how good they are at abusing a broken map (twisted treeline).

like it or not, solo que is more difficult than the other ques. sorry, it just is. it's also more accurate. borders show the most accurate depiction of skill. hence why they are based on solo queue elo

i would be in favor of toggles tho.


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SofaKingShady

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11-15-2012

MAKE IT A VOTE! I vote keep the borders. all of them.


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Eleshakai

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11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Yegg View Post
Let me first say that the current implementation of the loading screen borders is an experiment, and I'm willing to change how they work if and when I'm convinced that it would be better for the health of the game. What does "health of the game" mean in this case? A couple things:

1. You guys want to show off your accomplishments with your best foot forward. I hear that and it definitely weighs into the decision. Some of you also feel like we didn't give you enough warning on how the borders would work, which is a fair point. We should have locked down how they would work earlier and let you know in the original announcement.

2. I want there to be less toxicity in the game. There are reports of players using the borders as an excuse to belittle other players. The question here is: would those players have been toxic anyway and it's just taking a slightly different form? Or is it creating toxicity where there wouldn't have been any? I'll be looking over the data in the coming days to start to make that distinction.

Some people are saying that this is an example of Riot shunning competitive 5s or indicating that Ranked Teams aren't as important as the Ranked Solo queue. That's simply not the case. I'm one of the biggest advocates for Ranked Teams in the entire company. Since I've been at Riot we've seen huge increases in the popularity of Ranked Teams, and we're only just getting started. The Season 3 Path to Pro that the eSports team put together is a great example of this. Did you know that you can eventually qualify for the Season 3 Championship Series just by making it to the top 32 of the Ranked 5s ladder during the preseason? I don't think a lot of people realize yet just how big of a deal that is. This means you play League of Legends professionally, receive a salary, play in a season with weekly scheduled matches, and compete for millions of dollars.

However, as much as I like Ranked Teams, it's a fact that doing well in those queues is as much about who you know as it is about your own individual skill. And generally I'm totally okay with that. I'm fine with people showing off their Platinum and Diamond badges on the forums even if they might not have been able to achieve that in solo queue (yes, even Morello). But when it comes to the loading screen, I'm much more concerned about the accuracy of what's being portrayed, because it's natural to read a lot into it in terms of raw player skill. Is it really better for everyone if we have Diamond borders showing up next to Silver borders in normal games? I think it would be confusing ("Why am I matched with these Diamond players if I'm Silver?" or "I don't play ranked, does this mean I'm a Silver player or a Diamond player?") and I think it could cause even more elitism than we're already seeing.

Going back to the point about the borders being an experiment. Originally, they were only going to be shown in Ranked games. You all asked for them to be shown in normals as well and after much deliberation I changed it to the current incarnation. Clearly not everyone is happy with that, so I'll keep gathering data and reading what you guys have to say, and make further changes if and when they're warranted.
Honestly Riot, you should just make anything you implement that can make people stand out optional. In fact, you should make that company policy when designing methods for people to show off, they should always be optional.

Boundaries, optional
Icons, optional
Ribbons, optional
etc. Optional. Everything.


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samson920

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11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
I generally agree. I'll bring this up with Yegg.
I thought Morello was 1480 or something. I didn't know he got a medal.


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Smite God

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11-15-2012

I agree they should make border based on your top rating from all queues for all queues


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Imsexyyoureugly

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11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by QQ Bro View Post
I like it the way it is. Loading boarders should indicate a players general skill (solo que), not how good they are at having a 3k elo player on their ranked team or how good they are at abusing a broken map (twisted treeline).

like it or not, solo que is more difficult than the other ques. sorry, it just is. it's also more accurate. borders show the most accurate depiction of skill. hence why they are based on solo queue elo

i would be in favor of toggles tho.
I play all of the queues and I cannot tell how diamond solo is harder than diamond 3s.

But I don't think you have the right to say one is easier than the other when you can't even make it to the top on both of them or either of them.

I have plat in solo queue and Diamond in 3s; and I cannot tell one is easier than the other when you really work hard for the Diamond you deserve. If you talking about less games in a row for diamond as a team. I can tell you I have another smurf account that only has 20 wins and it was already sitting in plat when the new tier announced. So I ended up with 2 diamond account but only shows plat in normal for both of them. On the other hand, my brother who were the same elo when new tier announced decided to do solo instead of the team rank got all the rewards when I only have less because I wanted to do team rank to achieve diamond in both accounts instead of one. This is making me extremely sad because it is just not right.


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KaGinm

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11-15-2012

I don't think this harassment is because of the borders, I think that the "toxic" players are coming out of their hiding because of the borders. I for one don't care if I see people having borders lower than me, Before the borders came out, I've never harassed anyone and even now I don't harass them. Its just that these "toxic" players find it a easy target to harass those with lower borders, its the players not he borders.

Even with he borders removed these "toxic" players will still find ways to harass you. I remember that people use to look up other players to find out their elo so it wouldn't even matter. The solution is root out these "toxic players"

Thats my thought on this situation