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You cant be serious about this ban

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tempnameA461

Member

11-26-2012

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MathMage:
BTW in any ACTUAL competitive setting where you might have a chance to compete meaningfully, trashtalking will get you penalized by the event hosts for unsportsmanlike conduct.

I'd love to see these examples of what "actual, meaningful" competition is and their competitive settings that 'actually matter.'


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AnonTwo

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Bilcosby:
If I remember correctly there is a certain pro player who mains Singed and runs around spamming /laugh in tournaments. Are we expected to not do the same after those who are our examples are allowed to do it?


Why do you not get that said pro player isn't offending his fellow gamers?

Seriously, how many people are going to bring up dryus and not once realize that it's not up to a bystander to report, but rather the people playing the game? Context. If you aren't reported, it means the people you played with didn't get mad at you.

Dryus isn't playing with people offended by that. The OP is. That is but one difference between them.


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Hierarch DF

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Dan Klein:
I voted punish on this case, would punish again.

For me, spamming emotes when people ask you to stop is the same as harassing them verbally. It's annoying, and it makes sure nobody has fun but the person spamming the emote, and his fun is derived from how much he's annoying everybody else. The thought that their fun is more important than the 9 other people in the game is narcissistic at best.

cant w8 to see that someday u get banned for a bs reason and then cry on forum
while no one gives a f*** to u


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Fomorian27

Recruiter

11-26-2012

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In fact, you've only been reported in .02% of the games you've played in the history of your account.


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Take your story for example, you are in no way shape or form close to a Tribunal case. In fact, you've actually only been reported in .08% of the games you've played.


Ooh, ooh, do me next!


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Fox P McCloud

Senior Member

11-26-2012

I too wonder about this impact as I spam incessantly, though it's more out of habit and fun (TF2 player, it's ingrained in me >.&gt than purely to intentionally annoy other players.

I'm guessing, though, that the number of games I've been reported in is much high than the 0.03-0.1% numbers you're stating here--though that could be for other reasons too, I imagine.

If you do have the time to look this up, since you already seem to be doing this, it would be appreciated, though by no means go out of your way to do so.


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SoraNoChinchira

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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WookieeCookie:
[COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk.[/COLOR]

Players frequently write to my team full of excuses for their case, or fearful that they're going to get banned in the future.

They often want to debate the Summoner's Code down point by point.

Is it okay to do this? What about that? What if someone else does X, and I do Y to them in retaliation? Can I get banned for Z?

And our response can always be summed up with one simple phrase:

[COLOR="red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


Sometimes player's ask why isn't the Summoner's Code more specific? Why doesn't it specify each and every action I can or can't do? But they don't notice that we wrote the Code that way on purpose.

We don't want to run a game dictated by strict specific rules. Because every game is unique, and played by different standards.


How much fun would a rule be that says you can never say the F word in your matches?

How much fun would a rule be that says last pick must always be support?

How much fun would a rule say that you can never be Rammus support because he's not considered "optimal" by the community?


Every game should be judged by its own context. And that's why the core rule is always:

[COLOR="red"]Don't be a jerk.[/COLOR]


You can say the F word in a friendly context:



You can also say it in a very toxic context:




---The key difference? [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


Sometimes it makes sense for last pick to be something besides support:


Sometimes the situation can be very toxic:



---The key difference? [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


Sometimes it makes sense to go with a real unusual support pick:



Sometimes an unusual pick can be really toxic:



---The key difference? [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


I've seen this case emote spamming case before. And he fails the test. [COLOR="Red"]He was being a jerk.[/COLOR]

You can see in his matches that other players ask him to stop. They even do so nicely at some points. But this player doesn't care. [COLOR="red"]He doesn't care because he's being a jerk.[/COLOR]

Is he using a feature of our game which has many legitimate purposes? Of course!

But is he abusing this legitimate feature to be a [COLOR="red"]jerk[/COLOR]? Yes. He is literally spamming the same phrase throughout the entire duration of the game.

Could other players fiddle with their sound settings to disable this? Sure.

Should we expect other players to adjust their player experience because a [COLOR="Red"]jerk [/COLOR]is harassing them?

No. Never.

I even spent some extra time looking up this player's past harassment history. This is not an isolated 5 games this player has done this. He has repeatedly found ways to annoy and harass other players. That's the main reason he has a tribunal case in the first place.

Lyte has mentioned this in the past, but the Tribunal is really great at finding jerks in our game. But it's not always great at providing the full context of just how much of a jerk they are. But always keep in mind it takes many reports, in many games, by many people to even be considered for the Tribunal. The system may only pull 1 to 5 chat logs for a case, but make no doubt about it, the accused has been reported in many many more games than that.

The process is always being iterated on and improved though. And if the PB&J Team sees a need for the additional context to be shown, I'm confident in their abilities to make that happen.


Hey,
thank you for this. I really appreciate it when you guys detail out reports and give explanations like this. As with many things, there is always 'something more behind the scenes' People are quick to judge on superficial evidence and say 'WRONGLY BANNED' without noting there is deeper evidence than what is shown. Me? I trust you guys know what you are doing. And i'm happy you're doing this. This guy? He would've annoyed the heck out of me. I remember one game where an Ashe spammed 'Go ahead, put that apple on your head' the entire game. It drove us all NUTS. We wanted to kill her first just to make it go away.

Thank you again for the explanation, hopefully people understand it.


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AnonTwo

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Patch Equals LAG:
cant w8 to see that someday u get banned for a bs reason and then cry on forum
while no one gives a f*** to u


It's not going to be a problem to him, because he gets that they're not BS reasons.


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VeRisiMiLaR

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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IIZekoII:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOpT__qwjdQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=175s

OMG PHREAK IS SCUMBAG JERK!!!!!
that is all.


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Hierarch DF

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Feird:
I have a question, what if i AM a jerk, isn't this discrimination, i mean, i can't help but be a jerk, its who i am.

will they give a f***? no
cuz even if they discriminate u, u won't insta leave this game forever


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MathMage

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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tempnameA461:
I'd love to see these examples of what "actual, meaningful" competition is and their competitive settings that 'actually matter.'

Y'know, tourneys with prizes and the like. Even piddly local events matter more than the ranked ladder.