You cant be serious about this ban

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Deathsage

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Originally Posted by WookieeCookie View Post
[COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk.[/COLOR]

Players frequently write to my team full of excuses for their case, or fearful that they're going to get banned in the future.

They often want to debate the Summoner's Code down point by point.

Is it okay to do this? What about that? What if someone else does X, and I do Y to them in retaliation? Can I get banned for Z?

And our response can always be summed up with one simple phrase:

[COLOR="red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


Sometimes player's ask why isn't the Summoner's Code more specific? Why doesn't it specify each and every action I can or can't do? But they don't notice that we wrote the Code that way on purpose.

We don't want to run a game dictated by strict specific rules. Because every game is unique, and played by different standards.


How much fun would a rule be that says you can never say the F word in your matches?

How much fun would a rule be that says last pick must always be support?

How much fun would a rule say that you can never be Rammus support because he's not considered "optimal" by the community?


Every game should be judged by its own context. And that's why the core rule is always:

[COLOR="red"]Don't be a jerk.[/COLOR]


You can say the F word in a friendly context:



You can also say it in a very toxic context:




---The key difference? [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


Sometimes it makes sense for last pick to be something besides support:


Sometimes the situation can be very toxic:



---The key difference? [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


Sometimes it makes sense to go with a real unusual support pick:



Sometimes an unusual pick can be really toxic:



---The key difference? [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk[/COLOR]


I've seen this case emote spamming case before. And he fails the test. [COLOR="Red"]He was being a jerk.[/COLOR]

You can see in his matches that other players ask him to stop. They even do so nicely at some points. But this player doesn't care. [COLOR="red"]He doesn't care because he's being a jerk.[/COLOR]

Is he using a feature of our game which has many legitimate purposes? Of course!

But is he abusing this legitimate feature to be a [COLOR="red"]jerk[/COLOR]? Yes. He is literally spamming the same phrase throughout the entire duration of the game.

Could other players fiddle with their sound settings to disable this? Sure.

Should we expect other players to adjust their player experience because a [COLOR="Red"]jerk [/COLOR]is harassing them?

No. Never.

I even spent some extra time looking up this player's past harassment history. This is not an isolated 5 games this player has done this. He has repeatedly found ways to annoy and harass other players. That's the main reason he has a tribunal case in the first place.

Lyte has mentioned this in the past, but the Tribunal is really great at finding jerks in our game. But it's not always great at providing the full context of just how much of a jerk they are. But always keep in mind it takes many reports, in many games, by many people to even be considered for the Tribunal. The system may only pull 1 to 5 chat logs for a case, but make no doubt about it, the accused has been reported in many many more games than that.

The process is always being iterated on and improved though. And if the PB&J Team sees a need for the additional context to be shown, I'm confident in their abilities to make that happen.
No thats BS, if you dont want people using the emotes then dont put them in the game. It doesnt matter if he spammed it, it is there to be spammed. Can I no longer auto attack because it annoys people too? The problem with this kind of case is that the criteria is Subjective what one player finds annoying another might find hilarious. So I think you can suck it up and learn to deal with a laugh or just use that little volume slider on your computer.

I mean hell even in his cases there were only a handful of "hey stops" given at all. This is pretty ridiculous that you would punish a player for using a feature in your game.


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IIZekoII

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SweatyWolverine

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Originally Posted by WookieeCookie View Post
We're not going to remove features from our game because certain players are jerks and choose to abuse them.

We will not remove emotes because someone would spam them from start to finish to be a jerk. Instead we would remove the jerk.

We will not remove chat because someone would use it to harass and annoy other players. Instead we would remove the jerk.

We will not remove the option to be an unusual support (ie: Rammus) because someone would choose it to be spiteful and punish his team by feeding kills. Instead we would remove the jerk.

We will not remove certain summoner spells because someone chose them specifically to get his team mates mad while he intentionally feeds the game. Instead we would remove the jerk.

We will not forbid you from buying more than 5 wards because someone may choose to write bad symbols with them. Instead we would remove the jerk.

There are plenty of other examples I can give. But essentially it boils down to this: If a person abuses features in game to be a jerk to team mates, then we will not be removing the feature: we will remove the jerk. As 99% of our community can use taunts without being a jerk, we will not be making a special case for a troll because they can't control themselves.

They should just stop being a jerk.



In this case I didn't use extra information to judge the case. The case has enough information about this player being a jerk. You can see from his games that he starts from the very beginning of the match to the very end spamming the same emote over and over again.

This is sufficient evidence to determine that he is indeed a jerk. I provided extra information to those who still seemed to be convinced that this person was just having some good natured fun. He wasn't. And he's trolled a great many games in the past.



A couple of issues here.

1) We can see from the tribunal case that he wasn't annoying just his enemies(not that this would suddenly make it okay). He was annoying his team mates who asked him to stop repeatedly across many games.
2) Playing "mind games" and being a jerk are not one in the same. You can play a lot of mind games, such as by faking out a player, denying them access in lane, and baiting them into traps; all of these don't involve you being a jerk.



1. Your comparing being Warned/Banned in a video game to being thrown in jail in real life……

2. It doesn't bother me to remind people to not be a jerk. I don't want people to be afraid of being banned. That's why I try to make it pretty simple for them to understand the Code. [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk.[/COLOR]

3. I don't treat players as less of a person because they've been banned by the Tribunal. I've spent considerable time working with players to help them understand why they were banned by the Tribunal and what they can do to avoid additional bans in the future. I hate seeing people get banned from the game they love. But I've seen the effects that jerks have on our game and our players. If toxic players refuse to change their behavior and would rather ruin the experience of others then it leaves me with little choice.

4. The founders of the United States didn't have the Internet. And they didn't play League of Legends.



We think you can be a competitive minded person and not be a jerk. Outside the video game industry I think it's called "good sportsmanship".




I can see your point here, but it's important to keep in mind that the Tribunal system does not create a punishment based off of the crime. It works on a tiered system. Where toxic behavior is punished with an increasing suspension each time it is found.

In this player's case he had already been warned about his behavior beforehand, and he has elected to ignore the warning.

As I mentioned earlier no one is inclined to remove features because certain players are not responsible enough to use them properly. We would much rather remove the immature players who would be jerks in our game.




That's really cool to hear. I think at times everyone's tempted to be a jerk. But the benefits are few and far between. We should always keep in mind that we play League of Legends to have fun. If we're not having fun, perhaps we should take a break for a bit.



No. That's not what I said.

I said: [COLOR="Red"]Don't be a jerk.[/COLOR]

If you're spamming emotes from start to finish because you like to see everyone (including teammates) yell at you and beg you to stop, then you're being a jerk.

And you should stop.

If you get personal satisfaction from ruining other people's fun then you're being a jerk.

And you should stop.

If people ask you to stop trolling, and you do it even harder just to spite them then you're being a jerk.

And you should stop.
Are you serious? Is this some kind of troll post? Jk, I don't know why I'm asking. This wookicookie guy is the most autistic ****ing ****** I have ever seen in my entire life. All of his posts give me cancer. I cannot stand to look at anymore of them.

Please Tryndamere, as the only riot employee with a functioning brain, take control of your company. It is spiraling out of control and will eventually run itself into the ground if you continue letting people like this make decisions that impact players.

This is honestly the worst thing I have ever seen in any game or anything in life. League of legends has literally become a complete joke amongst the gaming community because of people like this RED. Little cry baby nerds that got trash canned in high school drunk off of power. It really is pathetic, to say the least.

You are actually trying to justify banning someone for spamming emotes YOU put in your game. Really? What a ****ing joke. Please just kill yourself and do the world a favor.

Thank you.


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Noobgrenade

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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You know I have to say that a lot of streamers are being jerks outside the game and practice it on stream. They are passively enforcing the "being a jerk" by saying how bad this player is or any implications of them being bad. Players that watch the "pros" on stream with that attitude influence a lot of players and instill bad behavior.

I mean seriously the reason why there are so many people behaving like this is because they think it's acceptable what the "pros" say and do.

You guys should start tackling the "pros". One of my friends was recently in a game with Crs Elementz and his experience was that Elementz was a jerk and the funny part is that he was streaming it at the same time.

People can't see what they do wrong if the "pros" do it and we all know by now that they see it differently from the community. It's like they are the "competitive group" leading by example.
This is very, very true. Cracking down on 1 pro player for jerky behavior = busting a million random jerks.
Still not a reason to let the random jerks off the hook, but pros need (and seem to be getting over time) more attention for their behavior.


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tempnameA461

Member

11-26-2012

35/50 pages so far are nothing but massive unreduced Cookie quotes.


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Nyxling

Junior Member

11-26-2012

I approve of the stand by the red in this thread


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Elric Sadricson

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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And phreak just smacked down Riot's entire stance on this issue.

Good job phreak, standing up for what's right and not even knowing he did it!


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octavian1127

Senior Member

11-26-2012

If he's getting a time ban, then he's not new to the tribunal. On the other hand, wow, just wow. Gonna spam emotes every game from now on.


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Dotayy

Senior Member

11-26-2012

thats bull ****


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Dreampod

Senior Member

11-26-2012

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Originally Posted by WookieeCookie View Post
4. The founders of the United States didn't have the Internet. And they didn't play League of Legends.
I think we can all agree that everything that is wrong with the US can be boiled down to this simple fact.