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Item Preview – Dust Sweeping

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Xypherous

Systems Designer

11-09-2012

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Are you saying a new item will drain gold? Oh lordy lordy.
No - just that the current set item for supports is basically wards that they have to purchase every single time they go back to lane. While the optimal number of wards on a map is roughly around 5 depending on which objectives are up - the current optimal number of wards you should buy on a given trip back is as many as you can and afford anything else.

This item basically non-linearizes the cost of wards for supports. There is a gold efficiency curve for wards to gold spent.

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i'll hold off judgement on it until i see the upgrade path, as it stands i still see no reason not to buy sightstone for laning phase, then once you get out of laning, you need the stack of additional wards for more coverage (granted your team should help support ward but how often does that REALLY happen)


Yes, that's the theme of the upgrade.

However, we do want "overwarding" to actually have a significant cost - which comes in the form of inventory slot premiums like you're talking about here.


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Patroks

Recruiter

11-09-2012

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chumbler:
No, the alternative is now there are 2 set items, sightstone and a stack of wards.

Don't implement sightstone. It's a horrible idea. Remove the rest of the gp10 items while you're at it.

Also maybe try addressing the actual cause of all these problems, which is the ridiculous AD carry scaling that comes from crits.

....Its meant to be used during lane phase, and then later upgraded into a support item, such as shurelias(can never spell it) tier, or it may turn into a stronger version of itself. Its only meant to replace wards during lane phase.


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ciTiger

Senior Member

11-09-2012

Greetings.
Sorry for the off topic on your thread Xypherous but any chance you might look at this:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2779990
thanks

Getting anxious to know all the item changes that are coming in season 3! =)


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ZephyrDrake

Senior Member

11-09-2012

welp Sona just became a hell of a lot more squishy without HoG


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KevinDelMarr

Senior Member

11-09-2012

The Sight Stone upgrade will be forced to hold and place 5 wards, won't it? Two wards doesn't provide much map control, and if a Support tells the team they can only place down two wards, the team might force them to use up another item slot for more wards if they don't want to carry wards themselves, which is what Support want to avoid. Unless you want Sight stone to be purely an early game type item, late game it might become more trouble than it's worth (once again, the upgrade will need to address this).


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Wyl

Recruiter

11-09-2012

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Venaccio:
hey riot

Can you explain what's gonna happen to Randuin's without HoG?


Kindlegem + Warden's Mail + Cloth Armor. Here you go.


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B1GW00DY613

Recruiter

11-09-2012

I love the sight stone, especially if it is built into something that can still have wards. Mean you don't have to start support with 4 wards since on your first back (or second) you can get the sight stone and start buying actual items. Wards that give some health late game will help supports a ton, and depending on build paths for it possibly junglers as well.


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Kraemer

Senior Member

11-09-2012

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RamserX:
i'll hold off judgement on it until i see the upgrade path, as it stands i still see no reason not to buy sightstone for laning phase, then once you get out of laning, you need the stack of additional wards for more coverage (granted your team should help support ward but how often does that REALLY happen)

You're smarter than that negative nancy who wants Sightstone to remain unimplemented/gold per 5 removed.


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Orconem

Senior Member

11-09-2012

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Xypherous:
Indeed - I thought about this pretty hard - and came out the other side with - what is the alternative? What is the set item that you must get every game?

A stack of wards that continuously consume gold every minute of the game.

You see the problem of pigeonholing supports is an odd one - mostly because supports are pigeonholed into getting zero items at the moment - due to the high price of consumables.


Aren't you afraid an item like this would be less of a "Make it easier for supports to ward" item and more a "everybody's gonna buy this" item? It pays for itself really fast (about twelve minutes), and to me it seems like there's zero reason to avoid getting this on anyone if you were planning on buying wards regardless. Sure the two-ward limit is a bit annoying, but I'd be willing to accept this limit if it meant free wards for the rest of the game.


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Garayin

Recruiter

11-09-2012

"Alternative: Statikk Shiv, Tiamat, Wit’s End"

Tell me more about this Statikk Shiv, please?