Statikk Discusses Preseason Jungle Changes

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Stormy8Cheese

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11-10-2012

many times while im jungling with certain champs with knockups like moakai the jungle creeps will respawn health as if someone isnt attacking them and they will go to full health after i smite them. i would like to see this changed so this isnt a problem anymore. thanks!


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Windier Gnu

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11-10-2012

So excite


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RagingPower1

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11-10-2012

this mean's leashing no longer works. also... enemy karthus hits lvl 6... gg to the jungler if they're still clearing camps


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draakar

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11-10-2012

no offense but the reasoning behind changing the jungle to how it is in the first place was to break the passivity of the laning phase in the meta. Right now the laning phase is still passive so the original jungle idea didn't exactly break the passive nature of the lanes but they did help a little bit with the earlier ganks. These changes however, seem to reinforce and make the lanes even more passive due to the fact that only a select few junglers can do earlier ganks safer. So why would any team choose anything but the most optimal jungle champs, ones that are buffed or seemingly unaffected by these changes?

I really do feel that even though you seem to be buffing ap junglers (elise/diana etc), there really still isn't a reason to use them since a lee sin or a amumu can still do the jungle in a way similar to now. Also in the same vein, some of the heroes like skarner and hecarim who have only roles in the jungle seem to have been pushed to a point of obscurity due to these changes.


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broimmark123

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11-10-2012

my acc rushingtime1226 says im in a game but it was done long ago
get me my acc back how do i do it?


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11-10-2012

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We’ve made some jungle changes in the coming patch, aimed mostly at easing the early game pressure on the lanes and opening up the roster of viable junglers. I’m Statikk, and I was the primary designer on the preseason jungle changes. Here’s an in-depth look at how we plan on accomplishing these goals.

Reducing early game pressure

Season Two opened up more opportunities for junglers to create early game action through ganking lanes. Although this had an overall positive effect on the game, the current rate and effectiveness of early jungle ganking (particularly through brush camping) applies an overwhelming amount of pressure to the lanes. This significantly reduces the number of champions that can lane effectively by requiring them to either be able to farm from a very safe distance or have a reliable means of quick escape.

To alleviate some of this early pressure, we want to make early ganking from the jungle a more difficult, conscious choice that will require constant monitoring of the risks involved. To accomplish this, we are increasing the damage dealt by jungle monsters. This means that junglers who gank early will likely be at lower health and not equipped with Boots of Speed unless they’re specialized or have made tradeoffs in other areas.

To combat this spike in jungle difficulty, we’re introducing several jungle-specific items to the game. For example, Hunter’s Machete is a great starting item which can be purchased at the beginning of the game to help you efficiently clear jungle. It also eventually upgrades into multiple build paths that include several of your favorite mid game jungle items such as Madred’s Razor and Wriggle’s Lantern.

Increasing Jungle diversity

In Season Two, strong junglers were typically characterized by high area-of-effect damage, utility skills, and early ganking presence. During the preseason, we want to increase the diversity of viable junglers by ensuring that champions with other strengths can also shine.

Firstly, we are going to reduce the emphasis on area-of-effect damage dealers by re-balancing more of the health and damage into the large monster in each of the camps. This allows single-target damage dealers such as Gangplank to have more competitive clear times.

Next, we’re also going to significantly increase the rewards (gold and XP) and scaling difficulty (health and damage that the monsters gain over time) of the jungle as a game progresses. This way junglers who shift their focus toward farming the jungle efficiently can acquire gold and experience faster. This opens up the jungle to many of the more damage-focused and gold-reliant champions like Master Yi who need to scale into the later parts of the game.

Lastly, as we mentioned earlier, we’re going to increase the damage dealt by monsters in the jungle. This should allow high-sustain junglers such as Warwick or Fiddlesticks to break back into rotation by giving them an edge over the competition.

The new items will also be a factor here by opening up build paths for champions who previously had poor jungle itemization such as mages and attack damage casters.

Quality of Life and Meta Adjustments

We are also making many other smaller adjustments to the jungle, including:

  • Jungle monsters now attack the nearest target rather than attempting to chase their original attacker to make their behavior more consistent
  • Wraith camp gold rewards have been reduced and golem and wolf camp gold rewards have been increased to better match their respective difficulty and convenience
  • The wraiths have reduced attack range and the large wraith has been repositioned within the camp to force mid laners to commit more when farming them for extra gold
  • The golem camps monsters have increased movement speed to make them less vulnerable to kiting, especially early on by the blue side bottom lane

Overall, we hope these preseason changes will make the jungle a place where more varied champions, roles, and playstyles are viable. We don’t intend to remove any of the junglers that are currently viable – only add to the lineup.

As usual, we’re open to making changes as things develop, and we want to hear your feedback on both new junglers and your standbys as you experiment. Don’t hesitate to leave us a comment once you’ve hit the Fields of Justice!
so does this mean no more kiting/ leashing of buffs?


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rabbi4skincutter

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11-10-2012

what the **** jungleing is fine why the **** do we need this if you fixed the elo system or match making we would like you more leave the jungle alone


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11-10-2012

What is the status of Teemo jungle?


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Dóorhinge

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11-10-2012

I think that making the jungle a little more difficult will effect some champions jungle more then others. Poeple who arent really good with rengar for example are really going to suffer the fact that they can't get that easy first kill allowing them to progress easier throughout the jugnle.


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Spearball

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11-10-2012

Jungle Kayle?