Whether you think he's OP or not, Darius does need to be changed

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Machina Ex Domin

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11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Original Duck View Post
~40% of Darius' damage output comes from his ult as true damage. It also comes all at once in one huge resistance ignoring chunk. This means that Darius is extremely strong with his ult up and pretty unsubstantial without it. This is a classic feast or famine design and it always leads to a weak champ. It's a bad design.

Morello's solution (he designed this ult) to fix this feast or famine scenario was to simply remove the famine part and allow Darius' ult CD to reset if he gets a kill with his AD scaling chunk of true damage (which in game seems to mean that Darius gets his ult reset if he has anything to do with an enemy dying). This is a borderline broken design. This really peaks its toes over the line. This is a lazy fix.

Darius is a poorly designed champ and he should see some changes.
Darius is also a AD bruiser type that can be shut down just like ANY OTHER melee can be. If you haven't figured it out yet that's YOUR fault not Morello's

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If Cho'gaths ult had 1.5 AP ratio and reset on kill, you'd see a lot more Cho'gath play than you already do.
Unlike Dar, Cho has better Crowd Control on a lower CD (AoE knock up and AoE silence vs single target slow and AoE pull), and only needs about 3 pieces of tank gear to be an effective tank with stacks of ult. Dar trades CC and Area damage for about equal single target power. (cho has 3 AoE spells that deal damage, 2 of them apply crowd control (all 3 with Rylais) Also, Unlike Cho who can build the tanky mana items, Dar is very inefficient in a prolonged fight, about 70% of the games I've had to face Dar in once the match hits about the 15-16 minute mark Dar is a less pressing target in teamfights.


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Optimal

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11-08-2012

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If Cho'gaths ult had 1.5 AP ratio and reset on kill, you'd see a lot more Cho'gath play than you already do.
If cho's builds remotely ap , His ult will deal more then darius's because it is also true dmg.. But it won't refresh after you nomnomnonmonmonm somebody so ...


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Ep1cLeprechaun

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11-08-2012

Except Cho gets free HP, and a RoA is all he needs to be tanky. RoA GA Cho is generally a better pick than Darius, but Darius lanes incredibly well against most bruisers top. Thats the only reason he isn't worthless, his laning phase. Outside of laning, kiting shuts him down entirely.


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Lord Gwyn

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11-08-2012

Cho'Gath, Garen, and not sure who else wants to speak to you.

Fix for Darius' ult partially. Grab cleanse when facing him, remove his hemmhorage stacks, ult now deals less damage, you have successfully countered Darius, grats.


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AhrimanHJ

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11-08-2012

the only change I can imagine that would make sense would be to make his passive physical damage. That passive is surprisingly unfair to build against.


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Machina Ex Domin

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11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by AhrimanHJ View Post
the only change I can imagine that would make sense would be to make his passive physical damage. That passive is surprisingly unfair to build against.
I kinda agree, the whole physical scaling magic bleed upon release was a bit out of left field. it's nice that his damage is mixed but it IS a little suprising


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Spectre4802

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11-08-2012

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Wouldn't removing the refresh on kill pretty much fix everyone's complaints about Darius being overpowered? You could say the same might be said about Kat. Whether or not that would make them up is a different matter though.
Yes, but the refresh-on-kill for his ult defines Darius. It's his signature move. Without it, he's not nearly as interesting or memorable.


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