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Jaigar

Senior Member

11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Ceviche07 View Post
How about you get rid of Guardian Angel.
They said they were nerfing the stats on the GA and turning it into an item you purchase almost solely for the effect.


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ExordiaS

Senior Member

11-07-2012

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Letís look at an enemy with 400 Armor. Black Cleaver will reduce their armor by 25%, leaving them with 300. Last Whisper will allow you to ignore 40% of the remaining 300 armor, which means their effective armor against you will now be 180.
What about the extra 10% Armor Penetration from BC?


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Fenstick

Senior Member

11-07-2012

Ok, all this AD Carry/Caster number stuff is great. But ummm...how about us that prefer the AP carries?


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ShadowJJO

Member

11-07-2012

I just hope just like this item its for take down a tank, they make item for a tank so he can hold the line


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Kazkal

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Senior Member

11-07-2012

Few questions have you guys thought about maybe switching Attack Speed out on BC and in place maybe using Ruby Crystal and attaching alittle Health?

Have you guys thought about making a Zhonya's type item for AD Casters? seems like that could help characters like Talon & Kha'zix

PS,Since Flat Pen is getting nerfed any chance Guise gets a upgradable path l?


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Fox P McCloud

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11-07-2012

Just to give everyone an idea of how bad this item is on ADCs (assuming Last Whisper's numbers are the same):

-It needs full stacks to be effective on an ADC--as such, MF is the only carry who will be able to go into a fight with full stacks on any target she wants.
-Even assuming full stacks, LW beats Black Cleaver over 80 Armor for everyone except Corki
-For Corki, LW will exceed Black Cleaver at 120 armor

These numbers are a bit off if you factor in the 10% ArPen mastery, but they're still close enough to the actual numbers that it's pretty obvious that Black Cleaver is going to be very bad on ADCs---if you really want to shred that much armor as an ADC, have your jungler or bruiser get it---either that or you run a weird support like MF who rushes it purely to apply full stacks pre-team fight.


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ILchange

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11-07-2012

yeah, buff garen plz!....


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Critmaster Garen

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11-07-2012

let me just say, i love the idea of garen gaining a lot of team synergy by picking up black cleaver.

one major problem, why other similar top lane champions where better picks than him, was that they had a lot more synergy in their kit to support the rest of their team. (just one good example for a better top lane pick would be jayce with his crazy strong team support with acceleration gate).

the fact, that judgement strikes multiple targets 2 times per second would mean that he would gain incredible team synergy by shredding armor, spinning into the enmy team with a black cleaver in his build, and his team now profits more from the item on him, than on a riven for example. while riven would still have her place as a more single target focused damage dealer.


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CynicalGiant

Senior Member

11-07-2012

Does Renekton's W apply the BC effect 3 times?


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demestoss

Senior Member

11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by ExordiaS View Post
What about the extra 10% Armor Penetration from BC?
its10 flat pen so it does its job and reduces 10 armor at the end regardless