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Rustmaker

Senior Member

11-07-2012

Are you guys removing Youmuu's or planning on changing it? With these new options for Brutalizer to upgrade to, it seems like this item will be left by the wayside if left unchanged.


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Uilleam Uallas

Senior Member

11-07-2012

Demaciaaaaaaaaaaa!


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TheMoonshiner

Junior Member

11-07-2012

Corki's e just became op.


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theshim

Senior Member

11-07-2012

There is a pretty significant problem with this, though.

The new BC's penetration applies after doing damage. In other words, for people like Talon to get the reduction down, he has to blow his full combo. Now what? I mean, it's still useful for your carry, but this BC doesn't seem to be as friendly to assassins as you guys seem to want it to be...


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quardians

Senior Member

11-07-2012

Lol potatoe


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Al3x4ndar

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11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Xypherous View Post
Yes, we'll be doing a pass on all flat / % penetration sources to get them in line with the new formulae.

Currently, max ar pen is too binary in lane, while Last Whisper is *far* too strong because of how it anti-synergizes with flat armor penetration.

The values aren't too far off - in the ballpark of ~ 5% or 5 points for adjustments. Basically, if you only had one source of penetration, you'll see your penetration values go down as a whole because those were overtuned to be independent systems rather than interactive ones.
Man when you guys 1st announced changing order of flat and % armor pen. I hoped that this will make armor pen. runes more viable as well as Brutalizer/Ghostblade and Black Cleaver (old). What you're doing instead is nerfing every source of flat armor pen.

Brutalizer had 50% more armor pen., Ghostblade had 150% more compared to new BC (and probably to new version of itself), and then you're nerfing runes.

Problem with flat armor pen. was that it was becoming weaker late game. So when you announced changes I thought you'll make it viable throughout whole game, but what you'll do with this nerf to its values is that you'll make it non viable investment at all stages of the game if amount will be that small. So % penetration will be even better choice over flat then it already was.


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Dreggon

Senior Member

11-07-2012

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No. Additive % Penetration is kind of a warped concept as it makes stacking exponentially more effective than you ever intend.

Every % point past 50% has over twice the returns that the first % point gives you. Every % point past 66% has over three times the return that the first % gives you.

Additive % Penetration is a great way to simply cause players to stack and invalidate armor. Armor would no longer have a point.
Does this imply additional %penetration items? The only ones that currently exist are Last Whisper and Void Staff, so for this to be an issue there would have to be extras. Or %penetration runes?

I suppose making item-based %penetration Unique (i.e. player receives only the highest value) could potentially limit builds and make it slightly difficult to take on extremely high-armor targets (fed Malphite for instance), but at the same time you'd have to give up several item slots to do this, while being less effective against other targets in general.

Then again, champions like Darius with 25% reduction - but people complain about him all the time.


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Greedily

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11-07-2012

So their will be more build options for the tanky assassins like Lee Sin/Irelia? Would these item changes make more glass cannon oriented builds work on them more effectively or no?


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Letkhar

Senior Member

11-07-2012

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Well - Yeah. But then you run up into a 3k HP Mundo/Singed with 80~ armor and massive regeneration and you're like 'Wait a second, you didn't build any armor! ABORT. ABORT. I REGRET EVERYTHING.'
3K HP Mundo with no armor? Who cares about Wukong's damage? An ADC is going to melt them in about 3-4 auto attacks.


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Pure4Life

Junior Member

11-07-2012

Could you make a autobuy option to the shop (your own premade build)