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Barrier destroys gameplay, here's why.

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Tigrian

Recruiter

11-06-2012

If I may, how can barrier not be ussed offensively? Could you not pop it then engage to soak incoming damage?


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jars

Senior Member

11-06-2012

are you serious? everything you said is wrong and the idea of 'get out of jail free' cards is stupid. comparing PG to summoner's rift is pointless anyway


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chaser676

Senior Member

11-06-2012

Quote:
DRkid:
Not every mechanic in the game has a direct counter. True damage has no real counter in this game its just something you have to learn to deal with.



...health....


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Sybil Cut

Senior Member

11-06-2012

Quote:
Xetios:
Shields are more problematic than a heal. You can negate a heal. Barrier is better than heal in every possible way.


Not entirely true.

Heal gives you permanent HP, where Barrier is temporary.
Heal gives your allies HP as well, whereas Barrier only gives you a shield.
Health mitigates damage via Armor/MR, whereas all damage dealt to shields is treated essentially as true damage because Armor and MR do not apply to shields (IIRC).


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9hours

Senior Member

11-06-2012

@Fruitninjazzz: NO. STOP. Smite does not have an alternative. You take smite.


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KalastRaven

Senior Member

11-06-2012

Quote:
Xetios:
Shields are more problematic than a heal. You can negate a heal. Barrier is better than heal in every possible way.



Except for the part that 5 seconds later you're at 10% hp instead of 40%.


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Akrotheos

Senior Member

11-06-2012

Quote:
Pool Party Ziggs:
It's taken on Proving Grounds because Flash is not needed there.
If it is taken on Summoner's Rift, that means the person had to give up either Flash, or Exhaust/Smite/Ignite.

ANYTHING that will discourage Flash+Ignite/Exhaust/Smite on everybody every game is welcome in my book.


Nope. Some bruisers will LOVE Flahs + Barrier. Oh boy, wait and see.


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Morello

Lead Designer

11-06-2012

Quote:
Bullettime7:
They could easily tune the numbers to be lessened on Summoner's Rift and it's likely the route they'll take. Otherwise it would be too hard of a counter to champions like Karthus. Even though I dislike Karthus, I don't think giving everyone a "get out of jail free card" is the way to nerf him.


Correct, numbers are being changed for SR. You could say the same thing about Heal, and it doesn't destroy the game.


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DRkid

Junior Member

11-06-2012

Quote:
chaser676:
...health....


By that logic "time" is a counter to barrier. Since you just have to wait for the barrier to expire.


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McDracos

Senior Member

11-06-2012

Quote:
DRkid:
Not every mechanic in the game has a direct counter. True damage has no real counter in this game its just something you have to learn to deal with.


True damage is countered by increasing your max health, heals, and shields. It's simply isn't countered by MR/Armor/DR.