Katarina vs Malzahar

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H0p0nP0p

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11-03-2012

Kat has no say in this fight. Once she drops in, malz void, zone, vision, suppressssssss. Gf kat =P

Although, i gotta admit, kat can hurt him a lot prior lvl 6. But a smart malz picks his battles wisely...


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Banff

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11-03-2012

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Originally Posted by Vance Landow View Post
Malzahar whens every single 1v1 fight you could ever put him in. Not to mention he's better in lane by a thousand and one times.

I agree. 2/3 combo (no silence needed) malz wins by a landslide. His combo stuns and kills anything (% based dmg). There is no contest in this matchup.


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KobaltKode

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11-03-2012

In a case where both players have skill, Malzahar should always win this fight. She can't really trade with him and he has direct access to 2 skills that stop her from ulting. Smart play and the influence of the right jungler will change that, but in a straight out 1v1 you have to give it to Malz.


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AllTime MVP Andy

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11-04-2012

I love how Mal is getting all this love, but he isn't viable even in 1600elo play.


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KobaltKode

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11-04-2012

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Originally Posted by VeRzicK View Post
I love how Mal is getting all this love, but he isn't viable even in 1600elo play.
He gets the love, because he is a think outside the box mid who people wish was viable in high level play. The question posed is about a specific match up and postulated in a way that ignores their team fight viability.

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So as the title says, I want your opinions on this mid fight
He didn't ask which was more viable or or more counterable. He asked who would win in a 1 vs 1 fight. Though Malz isn't a great pick in high elo [which has more to do with his ultimate than anything else], in this specific match up...He has several glaring advantages over Kat, given that a jungler has no influence.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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11-04-2012

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I love how Mal is getting all this love, but he isn't viable even in 1600elo play.
mals viability isn't hindered by 1v1 battle capabilities.
Katarina's viability actually is hindered by this seeing as the only thing she now has going for her is that she can put out more damage before she presses R. She's still kiteable despite shunpo


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Talamare

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11-04-2012

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If she is still alive to live through the combo, then yes, but any smart malz would wait for the Kat ulti before dropping his ulti, which is very easy to do. Just poke her with the skill shot and make the DoT's spread from minions. Malz is an incredibly hard person to counter (Unless fighting Kassadin >.> That *******) But yeah, I normally rape face against Kat, no prob.
Why bother waiting for her to ult

Just do it a few seconds after she uses shunpo

She wont survive the combo, and if she does just Q yourself, since any smart kat will either escape or attack


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Zaurok

Senior Member

11-04-2012

Kat buys a QSS and there goes Mal's ult.

At that point it can go either way. If Kat can land some good harass she will eventually be able to kill him. If she gets ahead in kills she will eventually feed off of him. On the other hand, Mal won't be able to kill her as long as she has her QSS up (and isn't low).


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KobaltKode

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11-04-2012

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Kat buys a QSS and there goes Mal's ult.

At that point it can go either way. If Kat can land some good harass she will eventually be able to kill him. If she gets ahead in kills she will eventually feed off of him. On the other hand, Mal won't be able to kill her as long as she has her QSS up (and isn't low).
Man, people need to think things through! When does she buy QSS? If she rushes it, that means she has 0 damage...By which point Malz could have Sorc's and a Doran's, meaning in all probability given her poor laning phase she still loses lane. All a Malzahar would have to do at that point is out push/harass her and send her out of lane repeatedly. He doesn't need to use his ult and he doesn't need to kill her. He can simply save his ult as deterrent for hers. Should he stop her with it sure she can QSS, but her ult will be spent as well. If she doesn't rush it, she falls to the ult. He simply out lanes her. He can farm passively with dot and avoid bouncing blades, she can't shunpo on him without taking a worst trade [it opens up to a free MV, not to mention Null Zone damage if predicted and CotV] and if she shunpos into harass range...Chance are she catches at the least MV if not a Call of the Void to go with it [in which case she loses the trade again]. Malz loses to QSS in cases where the opponent can respond with it and an immediate burst or hard CC. Given that he saves it to stop her from ulting, it is practically wasted on her.


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Alison from HR

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11-04-2012

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
R?

If you want to type a message you have to press enter first silly. Or did you think she'd be alive?

Did you know mal doesnt have to blow his ult right away either? And with shunpo on cooldown how do you suppose kat will get out of range?
Flash.