%pen before flat pen in S3 confirmed

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Hamm3rhand

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10-25-2012

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...3#post30633523

so is LW and void staff going to be rush items now on dom? it also seems like this really hits some of the heavier armor items hard, though i haven't done the math yet. also darius OP (more so...)


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DiscworldDeath

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10-25-2012

If anything, it cements brutalizer as a rush item.

If before you thought of maybe skipping it and getting the AD+LW, then now it doesn't lose any efficiency.

Brutalizer>LW for everyone!

I mean, it was more cost efficient to rush LW until now as well, but people haven't done it, because you still want the early power from Brutalizer, and some other cheap AD items (Phage, Hexdrinker) as well early on.

Darius as many people play him isn't affected at all, since they go AD/level reds and go LW over Brutalizer as it is. I think it might give him some more early game damage, because you might go for ArPen reds on him again, which will give him a boost of power early game. And even more damage against armoured targets later on.

Phreak also said defensive items will get price increases. Guess all of our Dominion man-hours alerted them to the fact all resistance items are basically underpriced, but only because finding the right time to build them or the gold on SR is awkward.


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Duelpower

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10-25-2012

You can now build a lw/void staff and flat pen to bring someone to 0 resistance... wow that's a long time coming!


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Cauldrath

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10-25-2012

Basically, this is just a buff to champs who have good base damage already, which is already one of the largest factors in Dominion viability. It does hit Frozen Heart, though, which may be enough to push some other items into builds that you didn't see before. Or people will just build Shroud and not upgrade it as often.


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FDru

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10-25-2012

HP stacking, here we come.


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lbgsloan

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10-25-2012

If they nerf defences and make this change...well it's a little concerning. It's going to shift things towards everyone stacking damage and maybe health, since armour/mres is going to become trivial. LW and Void are going to need nerfs after this, along with the CS aura pen bonuses. Or as Fdru said Riot will fubar it entirely and it's warmogs/FM rush for everyone to survive.


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Ka0tiK

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10-25-2012

With Wukongs Q applying before the hit and those changes to arpen I think the monkey might be headed up a notch to cupcake tier. Putting out true damage to almost anyone but tanks after Brut/LW is gonna be fun. It's pretty much that now with glass cannons, but after the switch even ~120ar wont help.


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urmamasllama

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10-25-2012

tri pen xerath might be viable...

:-|


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Tempestphile

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10-25-2012

oh god, 0 resist and armor everywhere?

everyone glass cannon, the person with better ping wins because he sees you first and kills you first


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TCWA Tigerbite

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10-25-2012

Here's the problem I'm seeing, but I could be completely wrong so don't hold me to anything =x

LW/Void Staff currently is a counter build to high armor or high magic resistant enemies.

But now, they're going to be useful earlier on in the game, even if the enemy isn't stacking armor/mr. So, how do you counter it? The only other viable option is health, which isn't really going to help you, too much, especially in dominion.

Hmmmmm......