AZF vs TSM: Lessons learned.

123456 ... 10
Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

LiuetShinySides

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Riot is pathetic for not DQing them


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

tangosmango

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by deepbluereason View Post
Yes, AF cheating in one instance explains TSM getting dominated every second of both games.

But go ahead and have them replay the match for all I care. You could have AF blindfolded and the outcome would still be the same.

that's not the point you oblivious child.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Actingman

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Sure they cheated, and if Riot felt that the single instance of cheating changed the game they would either do a re-make or disqualify AZF. Turns out it had a small impact early, and late game AZF dominated TSM.

No need to remake or disqualify.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Zilveren

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogaflow View Post
I think you should take your own advice..... verdict is in bro, not dq of frost and no rematch.
This thread is in response to that.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

KittensDeluxe

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tekshi View Post
They refunded all the tickets for the screw up on saturday and are hosting an extra day which'll cost thousands of dollars in profit loss.
Good, i hope riot goes under.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Fugis

Senior Member

10-10-2012

I'm sorry, but 1 peek at lvl 1 doesnt decide a 3 game match. If TSM was good enough to win it all, they would still have won this matchup.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Ogaflow

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakz View Post
This thread is in response to that.
So was his comment, the one you misdirected by telling him to look at the verdicts. If one verdict can be overturned then ALL of them should be overturned and full DQs issued. If someone cheats, even a little bit and a team gets DQ'd for it then ALL teams participating in the same action should be DQ'd. Regardless of how it affected the game.

TL;DR Stop defending TSM and look at the bigger picture here.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

beckdavid

Member

10-10-2012

Another TSM fanboy crying QQQQQQQQQQQQQ


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Tanith ShadowFax

Member

10-10-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakz View Post
1. Cheat, you make more money than you lose that way. The rules are actually set up as 20% of your winnings. Riot is setting a precedent that cheating is frowned upon, but is still worth it in the end. Had AZF lost they would be walking away without a chance to win the entire tournament, and still less money than they received after being fined.

2. This is not about the money. Riot is not budging on this schedule thing, and refuses to do an actual respectable rematch between the teams. I'm not asking for DQ, even though teams have done less bad things and got DQ'd.

3. The fans didn't want AZF fined 20% of their money, they wanted them either DQ'd or to have a rematch with TSM. This is not just a TSM fan-boy thing but think about it this way. If one team cheated heavily in the NFL, do you really think it's okay to still let them win that game they cheated for and possibly get world champion without even a game restart?

4. Extending the world championship for the rematch would benefit Riot and the fans. Many of your fans are willing to stick with the stream later on to continue watching. Riot on the other hand stands to earn more money from viewership during this period. It really is a win: win situation.

TL;DR: Riot's mistake with the minimaps was not only bad, but their handling of the situation promotes cheating in some ways. Fans didn't want to see a fine, they wanted a rematch or DQ.


Edit: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=2663221 is their explanation. They explicitly say the Dyrus and Chaox looks had 0 gameplay implication for the nay sayers, while explaining AZF's did in fact make a major difference.

Since you want to use the NFL as an example. YES teams cheat, and guess what, one player gets a penalty or a group of players get the penalty, but the team keeps its standing. Also, cheating in one fight did not win Frost both games. It only helped them a bit in one. The way the handled tsm after that showed that TSM did get outplayed. Also if you look at their rules there are different levels of punishment. IF frost did the cheating more then once then the penalty could be increased. Its like any system for violations and enforcement in any sport. THERE are different levels of infractions, and they have different penalties.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Nizu

This user has referred a friend to League of Legends, click for more information

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakz View Post
1. Cheat, you make more money than you lose that way. The rules are actually set up as 20% of your winnings. Riot is setting a precedent that cheating is frowned upon, but is still worth it in the end. Had AZF lost they would be walking away without a chance to win the entire tournament, and still less money than they received after being fined..
Wow you're an idiot.

They list the possible punishments, they straight out list them

Warning
5% Fine
20% Fine
Match Forfeiture
Disqualification

Sure, go ahead and cheat. Don't be surprised when your 20% fine ends up being a lost match or a Tournament Kickban though.


123456 ... 10