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If you end the game early, adc bot is pointless right

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haplostola

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10-09-2012

Gp and soraka bottom xD


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A cat is fine

Senior Member

10-09-2012

Without a ranged AD carry, not only do you scale poorly into the lategame, but you also will have problems seiging towers which will allow your opponent to stall to lategame.

Of course, at low elo anything will work, but there is a theoretical optimal strategy that will counter yours hard.


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KiStorm

Senior Member

10-09-2012

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Sweagen:
The AD needs their items and lategame to work it, right?
Why not just send an AP bot with a support then? They're usually way stronger in lane, have better escapes, more burst, etc, can contribute a lot more to midgame fights and have a better chance of getting fed during laning pahse
Most one-sided games in low ELO end by 20 mins anyways, right? <.<

AD ranged is better for dragon and baron.

AP's generally suck at dropping legendary monsters, hence AD ranged bot lane, scare off dragon attempts, or take dragon yourself.

Not to mention, if you're gonna mix up the meta, you should throw in a team comp -

Examples are balanced, hence Tanky top, AD jungler, AD bot, AP mid, Support - now this team is AD heavy, so a simple counter would be armor, so a good idea would be to take Taric as your support so they can't grab him for the Armor buff - take an AD bot laner who works well with Taric, and try and grab up a comp based around this lane (single target damagers for example, with an AOE initiatior or two, heavy CC etc).

And also, they don't neccesarily contribute more to a team-fight, AD will always outdamage AP being less mana dependent.

Check damage charts for a game, although AP will normally have a lot of single target damage, an AD with sustain will pump out almost double the end-game damage, and bear in mind this damage means neutrals killed (giving you an advantage, or putting them at a disadvantage) pushing lanes, taking turrets etc.


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Catches Axes

Senior Member

10-09-2012

In low elo solo queue, it'd probably work.

However, with decently skilled players (and I'm not talking 2k+ here), it's not that hard to safely farm once you know that you have to. If your all-in early game team fails to get way ahead, you will just outright lose. And if the other team plays safe enough with their towers and such, you probably won't get way ahead. You might get an incremental CS advantage, but that won't offset the fact that a negatron cloak on each character will have you doing 1/3 less damage on all your high damagechamps.

You could try a tweak on it with one of the AD assassins - Talon only really needs 5000 gold to do relatively close to the max damage you'll ever really get, and if you coupled him with an elite tower diver, you might be able to win the early game by enough to make the ADC less relevant even at mid level Elos, but who knows?

The real flaw with the theory is simply that yes, you'll have a stronger mid game, but it won't be anything like 5 champions to 4 in midgame, most relevant ADCs are still good midgame. It'll be a slight advantage unless you get super fed. And then the other team will have a HUGE advantage in the late game.


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OpticalShadow

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10-09-2012

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Sweagen:
The AD needs their items and lategame to work it, right?
Why not just send an AP bot with a support then? They're usually way stronger in lane, have better escapes, more burst, etc, can contribute a lot more to midgame fights and have a better chance of getting fed during laning pahse
Most one-sided games in low ELO end by 20 mins anyways, right? <.<


thats the way the game use to be played. ad mid ap bot with support, then the meta shifted.


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ZeroJager

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10-09-2012

Quote:
Sweagen:
The AD needs their items and lategame to work it, right?
Why not just send an AP bot with a support then? They're usually way stronger in lane, have better escapes, more burst, etc, can contribute a lot more to midgame fights and have a better chance of getting fed during laning pahse
Most one-sided games in low ELO end by 20 mins anyways, right? <.<


Your AD Carry will be quite vulnerable to jungle ganks as there are two sides to gank from.
Blue side AP Carry will have zero access to blue buff which poses a problem to AP Carries who are reliant on mana or don't have Soraka with them.

However, there are times where this is actually a lot better than the standard. If the enemy team takes Kassadin in the middle for example then just watch your AD Carry faceroll him.


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Toysoldier

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10-09-2012

The popular AD carries right now like Corki, Ezreal, and Graves can all match damage outputs of AP carries. Some of the later game carries aren't picked as often for this reason with early and mid game in mind.


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sirturkey1

Senior Member

10-09-2012

Quote:
Sweagen:
The AD needs their items and lategame to work it, right?
Why not just send an AP bot with a support then? They're usually way stronger in lane, have better escapes, more burst, etc, can contribute a lot more to midgame fights and have a better chance of getting fed during laning pahse
Most one-sided games in low ELO end by 20 mins anyways, right? <.<


I rarely ever see a game end in 20 minutes so I don't know what the hell you are talking about.


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Topsy Crets

Senior Member

10-09-2012

This was the meta back in olden times when I started.