What AP Champ has the MOST burst in a 5 second fight?

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ArmySquirrel

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10-09-2012

Assuming you get everything right, and as much as I would like to say the answer is always Karthus, Cassiopeia may very well do the most damage in the stated circumstances. In theory she could do 7,715 damage in 5 seconds to a single target, assuming it takes about half a second for Twin Fangs to hit the target (and thus proc the cooldown reduction), and other delays due to getting the combo started, and good combo timing. You might be able to squeeze more out of it.

Edit: Nah, Fiddle does more.


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Swerto

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10-09-2012

VIktor.


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A Shiny Mew

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10-09-2012

I'm not going to do on a 5 second basis, I'm going to do a one cast on all skills basis over 3 seconds. In a 1v1 situation, no minions, no alt targets, no bounces, with a 1.0 AS, no item activation or any MR

Ahri; Q: 946 W: 1,080 E: 530 R: 4,635 Total: 7,191 Damage
Akali; Q: 1,090 (AA) E: 230 R: 2,250 Total: 3,570 Damage
Alistar: Q: 750 W: 975 Passive: 125 Total: 1,850
Amumu: Q: 1,020 W: 72 + 38.1% of their max health E: 675 R: 1,150 Total: 2,917 + 38.1% max health
Anivia: Q: 680 E: 1,350 R: 1,230 Total: 3,260
Annie: Q: 945 W: 1,030 R: 1,855 Total: 3,830
Blitz: Q: 1,300 R: 1,500 Total: 2,800
Brand: Q: 890 W: 855 E: 760 R: 850 Total: 3,355
Cass: Q: 1,035 W: 645 E: 740x6 R: 1,050 Total: 7,170
Cho: Q: 1,305 W: 975 E: 380x3 R: 1,350 Total: 4,770
Diana: Passive: 890 Q: 930 W: 828 R: 1,640 Total: 4,288
Fiddle: W: 630 E: 595 R: 2,325 Total: 3,550
Fizz: Q: 730 W: 420 E: 1,020 R: 1,450 Total: 3,620
Gragas: Q: 1,185 E: 740 R: 1,450 Total: 3,375
Heimer: Q: 3,144 W: 835 E: 900 Total: 4,879
Karma: Q: 870 W: 1,005 E: 1,080 Total: 2,955
Karthus: Q: 1,260 E: 1,080 R: 1,150 Total: 3,490
Katarina: Q: 650 W: 450 E: 560 R: 2,350 Total: 4,010
Kennen: Q: 985 W: 735 E: 845 R: 750 Total: 3,315
Lux: Q 960 E: 840 R: 1,250 Total: 3,050
LeBlanc: Q: 1,230 W: 845 E: 640 R: 1,722 Total: 4,437
Morgana: Q: 1,200 W: 855 R: 2,050 Total: 4,105
Nunu: E: 1,275 R: 3,625 Total: 4,900
Orianna: Passive: 720 Q: 680 W: 950 E: 480 R: 1,000 Total: 3,830
Shaco: W: 295 E: 1,210 R: 1,600 Total: 3,105
Swain: Q: 1,155 W: 940 E: 1,035 R: 870 Total: 3,700
Syndra: Q: 955 W: 940 E: 650 R: (2 extra spheres) 2,280 Total: 4,825
Teemo: Q: 1,060 E: 1,740 R: 1,400 Total: 4,200
Veigar: Q: 860 W: 1,320 R: 2,500 Total: 4,680 (against someone with 1,000 AP)
Viktor: Q: 910 E: 950 R: 1,455 Total: 3,315
Ziggs: Passive: 489 Q: 905 W: 560 E: 2,200 R: 1,400 Total: 4,294
Zyra: Q: 830 W: 334 E: 700 R: 1,100 Total: 2,964



There, mainly all the AP Champs that get played as AP champs.

Highest AP burst over 3 seconds is Ahri and Cass, but the situation you presented will never happen.

However, ACTUAL burst is less then 2 seconds, which in that case, the title goes to Veigar, his W+E+Q+R combo will hit in less then a second if planned o0t properly.

For those who say my calculations on Veigar's ultimate is wrong; 500 + 120% Of his AP + 80% of enemies AP = 500 + 1,200 + 800 = 2,500


This is a ONE VS ONE SITUATION, Fiddle's crows can't bounce. Swain's ultimate, releases 1 crow per enemy up to 3, each crow can only hit one target, stuff like that.


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Stayer

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10-09-2012

Well... I imagine karthus would be close, if all 5 are in his aoe and he hits all 5 with each q (post wall). Especially if you start the timer the instant his ult finishes. Nunu ult on 5 people seems pretty potent. Basically any aoe should be amazing in this, though I'm not sure that's what you were looking for.


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Yamanga

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10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Felaedor View Post
The actual answer.

Poppy kills you in 2.

Why the **** do you care about 5?
you really think that the amount of damage poppy deals to 1 person is greater than the amount of damage that AOE based champion can deal to a group of 5 champions over 5 seconds?

pretty sure that cass / karthus / ryze will deal a lot more damage on a grouped team of 5


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Mavlin

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10-09-2012

So all of this generally ignores the fact that champions with 1k AP would be fools not to have DFG correct? I mean that instant 65% of current health is nothing to be laughed at.


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Yamanga

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10-09-2012

anyway there is only 1 answer to this question
not karthus, not ryze, not any other champion

the answer is AP TRISTANA!
get a big wave and place 5 champions there.. in 1 jump tristana will get a penta kill.


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Rumble Bot

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10-09-2012

I believe this was calculated some time ago but if you count DoTs and all of it hitting, then...

Fiddlesticks held the #1 position
Rumble held #2 position


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Excited Soup

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10-09-2012

If you're saying optimally the most damage possible, it's zyra. Her ult increases plant attack speed, from 1.900 to 2.5
If you have 4 of them, they attack 2.5 times/s, attack a total of 50 times in the 5 seconds. 20% ap ratio per attack, 50% damage reduced if more than 1 is hitting.
First one does 100% damage, 2, 3 and 4 do 50% damage, so it does a total of 250% damage per hit.
2.5 * 20% = 5.0 ap ratio/s
For a total of 25.0 ap ratio just from her plants in the 5 seconds.


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A Shiny Mew

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10-09-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumble Bot View Post
I believe this was calculated some time ago but if you count DoTs and all of it hitting, then...

Fiddlesticks held the #1 position
Rumble held #2 position
False, see my above statement, he's asking in a 1v1 situation, fiddle's crow can't bounce to deal additional damage. Ahri and Cass took #1 and #2.