@Riot A serious discussion about gender. Please read

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Derptionary

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10-06-2012

I read most of the original post, and all I really got from it was that you're a feminist who seems to take video games too seriously. At the end of the day the champions are cartoons, not real people. Also I think there's one thing that you're missing one thing: What does the design for all of the female champions have in common? They portray the BEAUTY of the female gender. This is something that artists have done for centuries because of the awe and appreciation they have had for the female gender. Read the lore of all of the female champions, none of them are anything near "Vayne was once a down on her luck college girl who decided to start stripping but was soon taken to serve as a sandwich maker and was then was forced to join the League of Legends because of her body and total lack of inability to do anything but smile and twirl her hair." They are all very highly regarded, like you said Caitlyn is THE sheriff of Piltover, Katarina is highly regarded in the Noxian military, Leona is a member of the Solari, the list goes on and on.

Not to mention the fact that there are a few female champions are some of the strongest champions in the game.

Would you prefer a "Business Woman Katarina" skin where she was in a power suit with her hair tucked back in a bun?

There is nothing sexist or marginalizing about it.


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xReichsfuhrer

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10-06-2012

this thread is pointless and completely based on opinions. YOu should feel bad


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MochaChank

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10-06-2012

so ur married, and ur best friend is a girl, and all of you play LoL....
whiteknight


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Xengre

Senior Member

10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by MathMage View Post
Oh, come on. Paris Hilton is 31, but you wouldn't use her as an example of diversity in females as portrayed in the media. And using Eve and MF as statements about female empowerment in video games is absolutely laughable.

Where the **** is Granny Weatherwax, is what I wanna know.
You would, since it is a realistic example. If you are wanting old and haggard then you may see a few but a very small number as these types of designs usually won't be very popular or realistically inclined and in the end Riot's primary goal is to turn a profit. Personally would like to see a few Granny Weatherwax myself... (had to look that one up). I mean other then the occasional mage and psychic/unique power most women that are older then 30 tend to age well due to being rather athletic... for men this is an entirely different story. Its just the reality of the situation. Is it 100% in every case? No, but it is the majority.

Also OP completely ignoring my last several post... once again. Can you stop doing this? Also when you do reply after having this pointed out... once again could you actually address what I am talking about instead of making a 2 line statement that is not even relevant or accurate and side stepping the remainder of my post. As I indicated in my very first post... it honestly seems like you are trolling and your replies are supportive of this. If you are serious about this though... then do give a serious reply for once.

EDIT: Also OP you talk about human diversity but then in other post say you are wanting female monster diversity... please figure out what your objective is and do not persecute someone else for trying to have a reasonable discussion with you when you are all over the place.
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Originally Posted by Rauhel View Post
They don't need to add for female champion, they need to add more female monsters.


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Maxnormal

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10-06-2012

The suggestion by certain circles of women that a female character is not allowed to simultaneously be sexually stimulating as well as strong and empowered is far more sexist and stupid, backwards thinking than Riot simply choosing to make their characters sexy.

What happened to the whole sexual revolution thing? I thought you womenfolk wanted to be able to show off and bare your ankles and go on ****-walks and all that jazz, why do you have such a problem with "sexualized" characters if your own right to "sexualize" yourselves is so goddamn important to you?

You want to have your ****ing cake and eat it too, it's a load of ****. On top of that, despite the modern male being completely neutered and unnecessary in regards to traditional male gender roles, you also want to enter into the male's realm, the last bastion of free competition where he can openly fight and hunt and win and lose and destroy his enemies, something innately satisfying to him as a male, and change that so it appeals to your gender as well.

You know what? **** you. I was intending to be civil but I got myself all worked up just elaborating on your stupidity and your hypocrisy and your general bull****. So just **** you.


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L2 Sentinel

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Kiryana View Post
But that still falls to the pretenses of the vocal minority. Just like when males make reference to females who flaunt the fact they are female in chats when it serves no purpose. Just because a few jerk offs type in all caps does not mean that the rest of the community shares the same opinion. Honestly, most guys could care less either way. It takes to much mental exercise to waste the effort on meaningless squabbles when all we want to do is play a game.

Really try and look at it in a different perspective. How many times have you been complemented or even just ignored versus how many times you have been trolled? Every one always focuses on the negative experiences and then make decisions based on that.
If most guys could care less either way, then there is no reason NOT to expand their design philosophies and market towards a broader audience. If all people want to do is play the game, would a granny champion really threaten that?

Your last paragraph is completely true. I've gotten overwhelming support in this thread, but the trolls have a greater impact on my mood.


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Syntax Er0r

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10-06-2012

It's like nobody here has been to a Halloween party with girls at them....


Each female character should have a skin that is non-sexualized; maybe a culturally appropriate or thematically appropriate one, and one that girls would wear to a party.

Ever been to a party with girls at them? They don't dress formally, and they don't dress to cover up.

-Syntax


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MathMage

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Xengre View Post
You would, since it is a realistic example.
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/P...B8cPV_iMPl.jpg

Yes, that's DEFINITELY defying the stereotype. Riiiiight.

To clarify, I don't really care about the age issue. It's just one dimension of the potential variety in female champions. I just want Riot to focus on making female champions, and quit it with the porn stars in costume.

Also, if you think I'm the OP, you're mistaken.


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L2 Sentinel

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Jeff Goldblum View Post
You know, people like to complain about the low representation of women in the fields of hard sciences like physics and engineering and the like. Did you know that this is the result of women simply not wanting to go into those fields? That there isn't some grand conspiracy to alienate women and shoehorn them into kitchens worldwide?

Women and men are different no matter what ridiculous egalitarian myth you want to believe and generally gravitate towards different things. Why would Riot attempt to completely reshape their marketing strategy to reach a new audience when this strategy has been proven to work excellently?
Eh, part of it is the way girls are raised. There was a lady scientist talking about her childhood, and wanting to join an academic league or something, and her mom trying to talk her out of it because it won't help her get a boyfriend.

There are just as many elementary school aged girls as there is boys interested in science, but the number drops when they reach high school age. Their upbringing has a lot to to with it.


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Xengre

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Rauhel View Post
If most guys could care less either way, then there is no reason NOT to expand their design philosophies and market towards a broader audience. If all people want to do is play the game, would a granny champion really threaten that?

Your last paragraph is completely true. I've gotten overwhelming support in this thread, but the trolls have a greater impact on my mood.
Continuing this and what MathMage and I spoke of a granny champ is a great addition... but again it won't turn a profit nor is it realistic beyond a certain point. You would only have a few such champs that are visually aged and haggard because it will simply not be popular to the majority. Even more so is the fact that unlike males women who look like that are generally not athletically fit (being athletic as a male and aged... the male may look completely unhealthy or nonathletic, while females almost always will be obviously athletic in such circumstances). This means if they add too many it would be rather unrealistic to their world because these people are simply not fit for battle (ways around this are things such as tech savy, psychic, magic, and some other archetypes... but this has its limits before it gets repetitive/unoriginal).