@Riot A serious discussion about gender. Please read

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Shaella

Senior Member

10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by jireo View Post
instead of saying he wants less sexualized female champs and variety, he just call them all ****s and strippers uhhh thats pretty much an agenda to force a huge change. **** this stripper that, giver her a pole and shes a stripper.


Hey Riot. You have a lot of adult human champions. How about more monsters, bugs, ethereal, etc champs instead the common humans? especially for females. Females also need more variety like different body types for guys too. Maybe a fat body or a slender petite body type or a tall skinny champ that shoots flames out of his mouth.


NOPE... instead shes a ****, shes a stripper, her boobies too big so shes a ****ty, shes flaunting her body(like you can actually tell shes doing that ingame) etc.
So is your mom
BZOW


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Faerous

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10-10-2012

When playing a game where the player is represented by an individual character, the developers will try to make that character "attractive" to the audience. Women can argue about the sexualizing (sic) of a character, because they care. Would you prefer to play a "wrinkled, graying old woman in her forties" ala Darius? Complete with sagging breasts? The fact is men have the same thing going on and don't care. Pick any male champion and 90% of the time they will have a musculature and build that is not represented too frequently in nature.

I noted the bias of the author when he said Lee Sin wasn't "overly muscular".
Lee could probably deadlift 700 on a slow day, his arms are like second thighs and his chest epitomizes the "barrel chest" imagery.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8yx_pQ8Gp3...ai_Lee_Sin.jpg

Oh yeah. Definitely realistic.


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Karolina

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by jireo View Post
instead of saying he wants less sexualized female champs and variety, he just call them all ****s and strippers uhhh thats pretty much an agenda to force a huge change. **** this stripper that, giver her a pole and shes a stripper.


Hey Riot. You have a lot of adult human champions. How about more monsters, bugs, ethereal, etc champs instead the common humans? especially for females. Females also need more variety like different body types for guys too. Maybe a fat body or a slender petite body type or a tall skinny champ that shoots flames out of his mouth.


NOPE... instead shes a ****, shes a stripper, her boobies too big so shes a ****ty, shes flaunting her body(like you can actually tell shes doing that ingame) etc.
Pointing out issues with the character designs isn't insulting. Also, they have no feelings, it's not like saying Shaco is an idiot is morally wrong (and he's a ******).

You seem to hate the term "stripper". It's not a negative word, strippers have a job and unless they consider it demeaning themselves nobody can say it is.
The OP describes each skin. One looks like a stripper skin. What's the problem ?
(the problem actually is many of them share that design philosophy but that's it)

And in your post (the one I responded to) you say those who agree with change are "afraid" of champs with big boobs, then you proceed to say they are "babies" and "children". That's not discussing something, That's making **** up and trying to be condescending. Nowhere you refer to the actual point of this thread.

Speaking of agendas:
In line with your line of thought about conspiracies, agendas and whatnot I should probably deduce you want the game to be 18+ and have all champs naked. Because that's the way we should read between the lines, right ?


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by KT Samurai View Post
The central point here being: you're saying that as long as the people you're playing with don't know you're a female then you're fine. That is exactly the problem he's talking about.

Check out women are going through when playing games that enable voice communication and whatnot: http://fatuglyor****ty.com/
guys go through that too just sometimes its easier on girls because they view them as easier victims.


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by KT Samurai View Post
Because they have to hide who they are to avoid harassment.

That's an enormous problem for any community, that you have to hide your gender in order to have the same experience as males is a glaring problem.

guys get rolled on too but i think the a-holes just want the girls attention positive or negative


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Shadeykris View Post
After a year of playing League, I finally ran into this the other day.

Enemy Riven: Why did you do that?
My friend: I asked her the same thing!
Enemy Riven: A girl is playing? That explains it.

And then they spent the entire match making snide comments, hitting on me, and generally being a colossal *******. I didn't come out and go "be nice to me I'm a girl ^.^" I didn't say "Don't call me he, I'm a SHE." Someone else referred to me by the correct pronoun. That's it.

Gender SHOULDN'T matter. Ever. It shouldn't only not matter unless we find out you're a girl and then it does.
thats a player issue. just report them for harassment.


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Lumaral View Post
Have you thought about creating a fat female champion? Not like Gragas, but a bit more like an Adele. Feminine and beautiful. And beyond the stereotype.
im down for playing a fat momma


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Cirrusstrafe

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10-10-2012

Too buried, nobody will read this, but I find it bloody hilarious that the counter-post to this has more upvotes in considerably less time.

Also, you wrote way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way too much to say "I feel that female human LoL champion models are biased towards oversexualized females, and also that there are way more of them than anything else."

This is coming from someone who can barely get any point across without a thesis written.

Here's my counterpoint, what, do you want a female Gragas rolling around burping at enemies to disorient them? Do you just want slightly larger female characters? Nobody will pick or not pick based on how they look over how they play. Attractive female skins are made to make more money (and according to the porn industry it works rather well). Do you want to turn the clam bake into a sausage fest? I don't understand at all what the hell you want changed, because nothing that could rectify this would really change anything except randomly satisfy a small subset of people that actually give a **** (most of which aren't playing or paying anyways).


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by MathMage View Post
I'd recommend simply ignoring jireo, as he's shown himself to be totally uninterested in an actual discussion.
me agreeing to more variety but trying to go against the no sexy agenda and all our female champs are ****s and strippers accusations from OP? obviously your against sexy and objectify any that appear to be sexy.


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Shaella

Senior Member

10-10-2012

My question is, is why we don't have anything like this