@Riot A serious discussion about gender. Please read

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Shaella

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Zerglinator View Post
Listen, you may be on to something, but Cthulhu would definitely be flat chested. All I'm saying.
Cthulu in LoL
i had to censor this for you guys


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by FnRedBaron View Post
Bump because still no sign of anything but sexy females, regardless of Red posts.
sexy depends on the perspective of the individual. you however fail to notice the non-sexy or will sexify them regardless.leona, syndra, trist, ashe(unless youre afraid of her skirt), vayne etc.


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Shaella

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by jireo View Post
sexy depends on the perspective of the individual. you however fail to notice the non-sexy or will sexify them regardless.leona, syndra, trist, ashe(unless youre afraid of her skirt), vayne etc.
>syndra
>not sexualized


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by MathMage View Post
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Look at default Diana, for example (I assume by 'sexy' you mean 'sexualized' rather than merely 'attractive'). But the prevailing design philosophy plainly promotes fanservice.
diana shows no skin but her face and fingers and looks kind of tom boyish. thats why no one attacks her for being too sexy.


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MathMage

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by jireo View Post
sexy depends on the perspective of the individual. you however fail to notice the non-sexy or will sexify them regardless.leona, syndra, trist, ashe(unless youre afraid of her skirt), vayne etc.
Leona isn't particularly sexualized, it's just that her metal dress-and-bra combo is a costume rather than useful armor.

Syndra has her belted-on pushup/thong combo.

Trist is a childlike, and nobody expects even the crassest artist to sexualize childlikes.

Classic Ashe is a good example of how little effort it takes to avoid this whole issue, because the contrast with Freljord Ashe is clear despite that they're wearing the same clothing, have the same weapon, same body, and the same basic pose.

Similarly, Vayne is a good example of why this issue isn't about sexiness. Vayne is hella sexy. She just isn't sexualized. That's the difference.

So really, the examples you present just feed into my arguments.


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Karolina View Post
That is quite a stupid thing to say. Nothing but hyperbole, assumptions and ridiculous insults :T
thats basically sums up what those who has a agenda against *** appeal sound like. you're comment is based on ignorance on the issue that was slipped in with the "more variety" cause.


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MathMage

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10-10-2012

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thats basically sums up what those who has a agenda against *** appeal sound like. you're comment is based on ignorance on the issue that was slipped in with the "more variety" cause.
Let me draw on the other thread to answer this:

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Yes, some designs ARE problematic. Whether or not they should actually be changed at this point is another story, but the design philosophy that gave MF and Morgana and Sivir ridiculous waists, Fiora and Lux ridiculous poses, Akali her strategic sideboob, Syndra her belted-on pushup/thong combo, and so on is a major REASON for the lack of variety. It's not a coincidence that the same champions are constantly cited for providing both variety in female champ forms and non-sexualized (or less sexualized) female champs. Sexualization is the norm, and variety through deviation from the norm takes the form of less sexualization.

And to be sure, male objectification of male skins happens as well. You get the hyper-masculinity of Tryndamere and Kassadin. You get Varus. But it's never been the norm. It's never shut out variety. And some of the older masculine male skins were, in fact, changed through splash art updates to better suit the character and League's evolving art style (I'm thinking of TF and GP here). The female champ skins updated the art style, but not the anatomy. (Indeed, the new Lux art made the anatomy worse.)

The point is not to say that Riot has done nothing right, but that the interesting and positive things Riot has done in this area occur against a pervasive backdrop of samey sexualization. And the point is not to say that all sexiness (or even all sexualization) is bad, but that Riot overdoes it both with respect to many individual champions AND as a percentage of all female champions.
In short, the call for more variety comes with a call for less rampant sexualization because sexualization is intimately linked with lack of variety in Riot's art design philosophy.


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Shaella View Post
Its all posing
that pose is all part of design. it makes the art more dynamic then just standing there or giving peace sign. just because a pose makes it look sexy, doesn't mean its the end of the world or time to be worrying about little things when playing the game.


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Vu Sugoi

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10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by KT Samurai View Post
Just because he didn't say it doesn't mean he didn't say it, is what you're trying to say?
its called innuendo or sumbliminal


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MathMage

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10-10-2012

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that pose is all part of design. it makes the art more dynamic then just standing there or giving peace sign. just because a pose makes it look sexy, doesn't mean its the end of the world or time to be worrying about little things when playing the game.
There's dynamic posing, and then there's Fiora.