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@Riot A serious discussion about gender. Please read

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kenzoil

Member

10-09-2012

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MTaur:
This paragraph is completely unintelligible and I can't even begin to reply to its intended content.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-topics/

First the link will help you at least understand most aspects of feminism by it's philosophical nature.

Feminism is against the social constructs, an implied nature of a person in the community (like women do better at reading and art, and men do better at math and science), And I see some feminist groups take it further in a very proper and well mannered path, removing the stereotyping of genders all together. But then there are the superficial feminist, a group of people that are against anything that would emphasize women's natural physical differences from men (butts, boobs, and hips.)


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kenzoil

Member

10-09-2012

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MTaur:
Fixed that for you.



Would you laugh if every woman were built like a swimsuit model? Probably not, you can fap to that. That's the bottom line. It doesn't make them better characters in any way other than that, and clearly you can't conceive of someone other than a swimsuit model being compelling in any other way. That's kinda sad, dude.



So wait, the women are built like Mike Tyson? Funny, I thought Sejuani was built like Elizabeth Watson but inexplicably wields a giant flail anyway. You're totally fine with Elizabeth Watson vs Mike Tyson, though, I guess.

Being skinny makes you better at smashing things with a flail for reals, yo.


With your correction of my post, you convinced me that you are nothing but a troll, and good day to you.


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MTaur

Senior Member

10-09-2012

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kenzoil:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-topics/

First the link will help you at least understand most aspects of feminism by it's philosophical nature.


I know what feminism is. The problem is that you weren't writing complete, intelligible sentences in English:

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kenzoil:
Design is not the problem. Social construct of females in society is the problem. And shaping character into shapes and forms to represent their history/personality/story is not anti-breaking down social constructs of female in society. it's impartial. As my philosophy majoring feminist friend would put it, you are the problem.


And... what's impartial? The person who decided that Sejuani should have a weapon that weighs twice as much as she does? The person who decided Soraka would look better with a broken back? The person who took out Morgana's internal organs?

Keep telling me that I'm the problem, dude. You have a friend who took a philosophy class once. I am totally intimidated by your intellect. :-P


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APennyWorthwhile

Junior Member

10-09-2012

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MTaur:
I know what feminism is. The problem is that you weren't writing complete, intelligible sentences in English:



And... what's impartial? The person who decided that Sejuani should have a weapon that weighs twice as much as she does? The person who decided Soraka would look better with a broken back? The person who took out Morgana's internal organs?

Keep telling me that I'm the problem, dude. You have a friend who took a philosophy class once. I am totally intimidated by your intellect. :-P

Stop looking at designs as a proportion and start looking at it as shapes: triangles, Squares and Circles. Guess what happens, your argument falls apart because guess what? The character is more design oriented then realistic for a game that is not based in reality.

Proportion =/= Design!


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mogonk

Senior Member

10-09-2012

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kenzoil:
Design is not the problem. Social construct of females in society is the problem. And shaping character into shapes and forms to represent their history/personality/story is not anti-breaking down social constructs of female in society.

Media reifies social constructions.

Take some more philosophy classes before you try to talk about this. I recommend Post-Structuralism and the work of Foucault and Lacan.


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Karolina

Senior Member

10-09-2012

Characters not being real isn't an excuse to make them all the same way :T


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APennyWorthwhile

Junior Member

10-09-2012

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Karolina:
Characters not being real isn't an excuse to make them all the same way :T

Buy a tablet, buy photoshop, go to LOLKING take a snap shot of every champion, trace over them (outline or silhouette), and tell me they are all the same.


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Karolina

Senior Member

10-09-2012

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APennyWorthwhile:
Buy a tablet, buy photoshop, go to LOLKING take a snap shot of every champion, trace over them (outline or silhouette), and tell me they are all the same.

Not literally duh, but read the OP: the focus of their design is the same in most cases while male champs are more varied.

A bit more diversity couldn't hurt.


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MathMage

Senior Member

10-09-2012

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Darkwahn:
Because there aren't really any upsides to making it fit what a few people consider "serious."

*shrug* I'm not going to force you to consider it from, oh, any perspective that isn't the crudest adolescent male gamer demographic. I'm not going to continue repeating my reasoning over what has now become more than 200 pages of my presence in this thread, solely to convince you that images like these:
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MathMage:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Alyx_Vance.png/240px-Alyx_Vance.png
http://ryodita.deviantart.com/art/Astrid-251942878
http://dinmoney.deviantart.com/art/BUSHIDO-Warrior-Monk-299759743
http://michalivan.deviantart.com/art/Natalya-and-the-Shard-330318305
http://mikeypetrov.deviantart.com/art/Magic-5-329582704
http://ironshod.deviantart.com/art/The-Assassin-329102484
http://elsevilla.deviantart.com/art/Bar-Fight-322827615
http://anndr.deviantart.com/art/Captain-317072827
http://sakimichan.deviantart.com/art/Sato-317040134 (I have my own issues with the pose but it's still a good example)
http://jasonengle.deviantart.com/art/Beast-Tracker-310461369

give you just as much female form to appreciate, without pandering, as images like these:

http://quirkilicious.deviantart.com/art/Nissa-325030238
http://larsmidnatt.deviantart.com/art/In-the-Night-3-314155184
http://jiuge.deviantart.com/art/see-you-at-Fanimecon-302371426 (lady on left isn't really applicable)
http://gooloo0-o.deviantart.com/art/Alexstrasza-again-300495616

(and this is really tame stuff, obviously)

and therefore are Just Better ceteris paribis.


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Rippyman

Senior Member

10-09-2012

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APennyWorthwhile:
Buy a tablet, buy photoshop, go to LOLKING take a snap shot of every champion, trace over them (outline or silhouette), and tell me they are all the same.


The problem isn't that they are indistinguishable, the problem is they have identical body types. Imagine if all male human champions were all build like Garen. Kept their clothes and weapons, but were all the same kind of bulky stronk man. That would be pretty dang boring visually. Ironstylus has admitted this is a problem so I don't see why this is an argument at this point.