Viable Support?

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Mynt

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10-05-2012

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Originally Posted by Fiveofswords View Post
here what you need to ask yourself when deciding if a champ can be support....Would this champ still be decent without any farm? twisted fate...no. he needs farm to get any reaosnable dmaage and his utility is insignificant...for champs with a huge amoutn fo utility or cc or whatever...they dont really need farm...cc is cc no matter how much damage it does...this is why typically support champs are guys with lots of cc and utility.
And yet Twisted Fate has the shortest cooldown for a non-conditional stunning spell. One of his abilities gives him up to +39 damage per auto-attack, meaning at level 9 he could be hitting as hard as his farmed ADC partner. His ultimate is one of the best utility spells in the game. Nothing else matches it--global vision on the entire map. For a class that's intended to help scout the map, you could do worse than that.

It'd be a real bummer to take TF against an opponent healer. But against a non-conventional support such as Blitzcrank, or Leona, I could really see it working.


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Valrcrist

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10-05-2012

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And yet Twisted Fate has the shortest cooldown for a non-conditional stunning spell. One of his abilities gives him up to +39 damage per auto-attack, meaning at level 9 he could be hitting as hard as his farmed ADC partner. His ultimate is one of the best utility spells in the game. Nothing else matches it--global vision on the entire map. For a class that's intended to help scout the map, you could do worse than that.

It'd be a real bummer to take TF against an opponent healer. But against a non-conventional support such as Blitzcrank, or Leona, I could really see it working.
You could do worse yes, but you could also do a lot better. While TF's stun is on a short cooldown, you have to keep in mind two things:

A) The actual cooldown on the STUN is longer than the cooldown on the ability. Even if you can pick gold card perfectly every time, it still takes at least a second to cycle back through to gold.

B) Similar to the point above, the stun is great for being aggressive, but it's much harder to use defensively, because that lag time between activating pick a card and the actual gold card coming up can mean the difference between life or death.


TF is incredibly squishy, has low base damage, and really doesn't have very much utility if you compare him to other popular supports. For perspective, the typical "aggressive" supports (Leona/Taric/Blitz) all have a more damaging burst combo than TF does at level 6.

TF's passive is also much less good than you're making it out to be, since except at platinum+ elo, most people can't CS very well, so you're really only looking at 200-300 gold by the 20 minute mark. Don't get me wrong, that's not at all bad, but it far from makes up for all the weaknesses that a TF support would bring. His ult, which is admittedly awesome for having vision, has a really long cooldown and a pretty short duration. Even though vision is great in general, TF's ult is nowhere near as potentially gamechanging as say, Janna's/Sona's Leona's.


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Sephïroth

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10-05-2012

If he lanes with Ashe... it sounds amazing. +7g more a kill. 100CS = 700 Gold, or 200 gold just off TF. Its viable... though losing your lane is what would be more worrysome.


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Zalfi

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10-05-2012

TF has been played as support by a number of pros and they are pretty consistent in saying it is bad. The key to a really good support is mostly the ability to be a presence late game w/o having any real items. I just don't think TF pulls this off very well.


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Fiveofswords

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10-05-2012

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which is stronger ap or support lux?
AP lux is stronger than support lux...but still dont have the damage potential of other APs...although does have more utility. Anyway, since someone has to not farm minions, and lux is decent without farm, it may be better for the team to make her support


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SilverChampz

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10-06-2012

i think no.. that gold card and blue card is the same skill.. so the stun gonna be too long for tf.. and the mana will run out quickly eventually.. it just mehh.. he just viable in mid.. that he can show all his potential.. like ganking anywhere with ult and gold card ready to stun.. support tf.. just not viable


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nightfall ninja

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10-06-2012

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which is stronger ap or support lux?
i find AP lux (as support) better than just support. makes for a pretty aggresive lane and as long as you can land your snare and shield to support

this way you can still deals tons of damage while supporting late game


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Pobbes

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10-06-2012

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i would love it if someone tried Lee Sin support. Besides the obvious shield, he also has Q harass, AS/MS debuff as well as displacement ulti.
I have seen lee sin supports, and they are quite effective. His harassment is legendary, and if he gets just a few kills he can be a very formidable and aggressive zoner. The biggest problem is really coordinating with the ADC. Lee sin's combo for poke is great, but if he burns all his combo to protect himself from the counter harass. If the opponent times it right, they can counter poke really well afterward, and lee sin will have no way to help his ADC. In other words, lee sin support can really have an issue with being too aggressive and not protecting the ADC.


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FeedingTrollNoob

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10-06-2012

If you really want to try an unconventional support, you might consider Jarvan IV. He is pretty much Leona with more utility and damage. He can initiate like her, has CC like her, and brings an AOE armor shred, AND an attack speed / armor buff for his team.

Edit: He is also naturaly very tanky, and due to his passive, can deal a fair amount of damage without any offensive items.


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