We really need a B.F. Sword + Chain Vest Recipe

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ShiningForever

Junior Member

10-04-2012

This would help a lot with the itemization problems that AD casters have while also possibly avoiding the prospect of AD Carries using the item as well (since it would be itemized for armor AND AD).

I was thinking:

Caster Item: B.F. Sword (1650) + Chain Vest (700) + Recipe (650)
+55 AD
+55 Armor
Bonus Effect

Where the Bonus Effect would be something useful to say Pantheon, Kha'Zix, and Yorick, but not to Graves or Corki.


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Tejesh

Senior Member

10-04-2012

... and why would ADCs not take something giving 55 armor when it gives 55 AD as well?


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Magus Crow

Senior Member

10-04-2012

^ What this guy said. Also try and figure out a bonus ability that would be benificial to a bruiser / AD caster that wouldnt in some way be at least marginally useful to an ADC. I'll wait.


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Candentis

Senior Member

10-04-2012

The ADC wouldn't take it, they need Berserker Greaves, IE, PD,Bloodthirster, LW, and GA. That is 6 items, the new item doesn't fit.


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Certified

Senior Member

10-04-2012

they don't "need" the 6 items you listed...

Beserker's Greaves, yes...
IE yes...
PD can be switched with YG if the situation calls for it, it depends on the champion...
BT can be substituted for ExCa right now, for a 1/8th DPS loss, but more utility
LW can be swapped for BC
GA can be replaced with any other Defensive item...


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Fkin Be Rad

Senior Member

10-05-2012

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Originally Posted by Candentis View Post
The ADC wouldn't take it, they need Berserker Greaves, IE, PD,Bloodthirster, LW, and GA. That is 6 items, the new item doesn't fit.
You obviously dont know how to play this game. Ezreal and corki do well with triforce. Draven does phenominal with ghostblade and black cleaver. so many things you need to learn obviously. I NEVER build gaurdian angel on an adc. Whats it worth if theyre just gonna stand ovver you until you're deal. Get a frozen mallet for more health and damage and slow (unless you're playing ashe, who is a utilitaryian adc anyways, so ashe should have the build you are talking about)


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PRIME LTD

Senior Member

10-05-2012

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Originally Posted by Certified View Post
they don't "need" the 6 items you listed...

Beserker's Greaves, yes...
IE yes...
PD can be switched with YG if the situation calls for it, it depends on the champion...
BT can be substituted for ExCa right now, for a 1/8th DPS loss, but more utility
LW can be swapped for BC
GA can be replaced with any other Defensive item...
Is this a joke?


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Fugis

Senior Member

10-05-2012

An item with armor and AD would be pretty OP. Imagine in lane, one ADC has this item, the other had a pure damage item. The one with armor would win the duels easily, and everyone would rush it right after boots.


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TJ Brick

Senior Member

10-05-2012

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Originally Posted by Certified View Post
they don't "need" the 6 items you listed...

Beserker's Greaves, yes...
IE yes...
PD can be switched with YG if the situation calls for it, it depends on the champion...
BT can be substituted for ExCa right now, for a 1/8th DPS loss, but more utility
LW can be swapped for BC
GA can be replaced with any other Defensive item...
Sorry, but this is nonsense


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axesandspears

Senior Member

10-05-2012

1. Ad casters are a myth. All "ad casters" are either bruisers or assassins that turn into bruisers by late-game if they don't want to be useless. All "ad casters" are also focused on using their auto-attacks.

2. There is no itemization issue for the "ad caster" category. Armor can be obtained through strong armor items like Frozen Heart or Randuin's Omen (oh look, cooldown reduction), while the attack damage is purchased from Bloodthirster--which is worth its cost on ad alone.

3. Atma's Impaler already exists and already fills the role in a balanced way. Physical offense+defense items are usually kept small unless they are lopsided heavily towards defense (Frozen Mallet) or designed in such a way that the full benefit is only obtained by bruisers--MoM, this is acheived because the item is only worth its cost at half-life or less, and squishy champions like ranged ad carries will rarely be alive with less than half life.

Atma's Impaler itself was a unique design that helps bruisers get some of the extra value back from taking the item.
-Ranged ad carries benefit the most from each point of ad because they build so much crit and attack speed to scale it.
-The health ratio gives bruisers more flat ad to help even out this effect.
-Overall, the item gives similar amounts of offense to both bruisers and carries. There are two reasons why it is under-taken:
1. Ranged ad carries rarely need enough armor to use half of a second slot for defense.
2. Bruisers often obtain their armor or damage from other sources and rarely need this extra boost. Wits End and MoM in particular fit builds better than Atma's Impaler because armor itemization is very good, and Magic resistance is more limited for balance reasons. Since MR is more limited, champions often have an easier time fitting MoM or Wits End in a build than Atma's Impaler, and the builds using those items are usually better overall.


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