I just played a game as Jungle Udyr. I was 3-0 with him in Ranked and brought myself up to promotion matches in Bronze III. However, my very first promotion match was exactly the nightmare I've been unfortunate to have in the vast majority of my ranked games thus far. My "lane" was winning while all of the others were losing. Badly. Thus it was one me to step up and solely carry the game.
At the end of the game, Garen, who was top against Volibear, tried to blame me because I didn't gank enough (once in his lane, in fact). I admit that I don't gank very often, but that was one of the reason I picked Udyr because he can counter-jungle and I can make the difference that way.
I have a problem with Ganking because I always seem to choose to the wrong time to gank. For instance, in that game, the lanes were nearly always shoved towards the enemy tower. There were times when they were shoved back, of course, but I was never really near when that happened. I was never there when fights were happening.
I was upset because Garen didn't seem ready to admit that he didn't handle being ganked very well and fed kills to the other team. However, I still realize that plenty of the fault was mine.
I told myself my objective was to keep the Nasus down, but, with his ganking pressure, I'm not sure how well a job I did. I was up at 172 cs (most on my team), but he had 95 cs so I couldn't completely stop him from getting his jungle though I did take most of his blue buffs away.
But in the end, I couldn't do what needed to be done.
I did some split pushing and got a couple turrets down. In the first team fight I could join I peeled Nasus off but made the mistake of chasing him a bit too far. In the next team fight I peeled Varus and Sona off and then ran back to help my team but Mordekaiser and Nasus had ripped through them. I did my best to clean up but Varus had returned with Sona and I had to back off.
That was pretty much how the whole game went. It ended shortly after.
I know that I failed, but I'm at a loss as to what I can do to make it better. How do I predict the right time to gank? I have tried my best to get better at feeling the flow of the game, but I still can't figure out this detail.
As far as Runes/Masteries you aren't that bad, aside from Udyr should probably be 9/21 as he gets kited easily and needs the tenacity/slow reduction in the defensive tree as well as the other stats that prove to be very valuable.
Item wise it seems like you build no damage on Udyr, he has a nice kit that benefits from tankyness, but you should really think about buying a core damage item before going straight tank like you do. I'm not an Udyr master and they've changed a lot about him recently so I'm not quite sure what the best build for him is.
Also, if you're going to buy boots, buy boots of Mobility. They will improve your clear times and GREATLY help your ganking ability. Boots of Swiftness are fine/good if the enemy team has a lot of slows or a Nasus, but generally they are better suited for other champions.
All of this aside, I'll go over the usual problems and you can decide what it is that is holding you back.
1.) If you're split pushing, is the other part of your team dying? You should always be with your team for a fight, split pushing only works if you get an objective and your team doesn't die.
2.) Are you doing your best to snowball your lanes as a jungler? Your job is to get your lanes fed and let them win the game for you. Try your best not to take the APC's kill, and do everything in your power to give the ADC every kill you can. ADC's are so item reliant that if one gets a double kill he can win the lane from there on out.
3.) Are you warding? You should have at least one ward on you at all times, I usually buy two when I go back to base. Its best to ward common paths you see your opponent jungler ganking from. Ganks are powerful, counter ganks are even more so as when they are ganking they will put themselves in a vulnerable position. Wait for them to start to engage and run in and bam. Double kill and moral boost.
4.) Do you easily get frustrated when your lanes start failing and you keep trying to gank without success? Is your jungle farm going untouched? You need to keep farming at all aspects of the game, learn to keep calm despite what's happening. Freaking out will only lose you the game.
5.) Are you playing only champions that you know you are good with? You should have 2 champions for each role that you know you won't feed with. Then I would specialize in 2 roles, one main, and state those two are your best. Yet, be willing to go where needed as a happy team > Disgruntled team.
6.) Are you teamfighting well? This one is hard to explain because each team fight is different. Sometimes you want to focus their carries, sometimes you want to protect yours, sometimes you want to kill that fed ass Riven that's just pubstomping your entire team.
7.) Are you personally doing well and keep getting caught by an entire team? Positioning on the map is so very important, know where everyone is and don't die needlessly.
8.) Is the map warded? No? Why aren't you? Don't blame the support for not warding, they should but its bronze good luck with that. IF you want to get out, ward the hell out of the map. Vision wins games, Bronze is no different.
9.) Don't chase unless you know the other team is dead. Especially with Udyr. Udyr got a lot of quality of life improvements, but he's still easy as hell to kite around the map.
10.) Are you distributing your buffs? First blue is obviously yours, after first blue I would give it to mid. Even if they are 0/3, if you show mid that you have faith in them that might be the confidence boost they need. Also, with Blue Buff over the other champion, they can spam their spells and the opponent may overextend to get that kill on them and die in the process. After the ADC starts leaving Lane, you should always give him the Red Buff. These are always situational of course, sometimes you need to take a buff so the enemy does not get it.
11.) This is the most important one: Are you raging? I don't care if Teemo Top is 0/10, don't rage. Try and reason and understand that you have been there before and realize they are having a bad game. Do your best to sympathize with them, even if they do not contribute much to a team fight, one well placed shroom can save a life or kill an enemy. Every champion has their utility that is useful to a fight, if you rage at them they are no longer useful and don't care about the game and will continue to feed.
Awesome post Sephiroth.
The confusing thing is. When I'm bot lane as support or top lane solo, I generally have a good feeling of when a gank is going to happen. I get that feeling and I'm geberally right. But as a jungler I just see all of my lanes, generally shoved, and a dark jungle and I don't know what will happen. I try to ward the enemy jungle, but then often fall behind in items because I need to ward objectives as well and then I can't do as well in team fights. I feel like this was my first big test after really applying myself in the jungle and I failed it. The worst part is I really can't look at a replay because they're broken and show a black void instead of terrain right now which makes them confusing and problematic for viewing.
I play Udyr occasionally to and it took me a while to realize he's not like a lot of other junglers like Volibear or Skarner who have a way of pulling a champion back into the fight (with their drags/flings). All he has is a stun, which means you have to make sure that you can A) burst them down quick or B) make sure that they are pretty far from their tower. So you have to be constantly communicating with the lanes. When I play Udyr I have to communicate more with my team then why I play Support, which is saying something.
I think your main problem is team communication.
My Item build is Usually rushing a Spirit of the Ancient Golem and the appropriate boots to counter whatever the enemy team has a lot of. If I have a good support that wards like cray then I wont really bother having one or two wards in my slot at a time, but if not I'll get a sightstone because as Seph said the health is very nice. IceBorn Gauntlets (or Frozen Fists as it's sometimes called) is literally the most broken item in the game on Udyr because it gives you a permanent AoE slow for his attacks that do damage. It's nice to chase people down with but also good for escaping as you can just hit the enemy with bear and they'll be slowed after (or you can hit a minion after using a stance and the AoE effect will make them either go through it and be slowed or have to walk around it and give you that extra second to get away). After that is just your usual tank items.
I don't know how else I can say this:
I BOUGHT WARDS.
How else am I supposed to make that point? I ward in every game I'm in. I wasn't making excuses, but your advice is so generic that it didn't address the question I asked. I know I could have played better. That's why I'm asking this question but if you're just going to give cookie cutter answers, they won't help me. Sorry.
I think you are not running your team fights well.
From the sounds of it you are chasing their ADC "out" of the fight, but unless you burst them down to kill them or keep them out of the fight for good you arent really helping your team. Since you seem to run tanky Udyr you should be helping "peel" for your ADC and APC. Mid to late game they are going to be the ones doing the most damage. So you should stay back with them and protect them, they longer they are alive the more damage they will do to the enemy team. Also if I am not mistaken your first attack in bear will stun opponents, this means you can "peel" multiple bruisers, tanks, assasins off your ADC\APC with it.
You need to tell your lanes not to push so you can actually gank them and get them some kills.
Also in the game you are talking about, all 5 of your opponents did some sort of magic damage, yet you had no MR.
You also built a 40% AS item but you have no AD. I understand you were trying to proc Phoenix (I assume) but the money on that item would be better spent an Aegis or other aura item that helps the whole team.
It is good that you took Nasus out by counter jungling him, but he still has more team fight presence even if slightly underfarmed.
As a jungler you would be better served to get your lanes fed then to get lots of CS yourself.
Cookie cutter answers are all we can give you unless we were to actually play with you or watch you Replays. What, do you want me to read your mind and tell you why you're bad?
I'm just telling you that based upon what I read from your responses and how you word what was going on that you seem to be making excuses for why you lost instead of realizing that you need to play better to get out from where you currently sit.
I was just stating the importance of wards. They will get you out of Bronze, you just need more games for it to work. Also, I would try my damndest to stay away from supports in Bronze as you will likely be supporting a dope.
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