This is why 1500-1800 is the real Elo hell

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Fishous

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10-15-2012

How is top 10% of all players elo hell. Really?

Gold sounds more like ego hell, where the downward comparisons are so strong they're convinced they belong in plat.


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IWinByLosing

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10-15-2012

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How is top 10% of all players elo hell. Really?

Gold sounds more like ego hell, where the downward comparisons are so strong they're convinced they belong in plat.
Because no one elo boosts other people's accounts to lower elo, they boost it to higher elo, mainly to gold, for the season prizes. As a result, you have players who belong at lower elo playing at a much higher elo level and ruining the game.


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And it was K

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10-15-2012

Joke's on them: They'll get their rewards (and eligibility for them) stripped from them. Just a shame that they take legit players down with them. ****ing ****s; why are they after rewards they don't deserve?


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And it was K

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10-15-2012

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How is top 10% of all players elo hell. Really?

Gold sounds more like ego hell, where the downward comparisons are so strong they're convinced they belong in plat.
Because all the 900 elo bads that think they belong here (when they really belong at 900) get boosted up here, then get ****ing destroyed over and over until they drop back down to 900, Obviously, they cost the game for their team, the same way that they claim elo hell keeps them at 900 elo. Except in this case, their team really is being dragged down by a worthless scumbag.


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seattlebadboy

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10-16-2012

Your pretense that you're only targeting Hafu because she's the only visible culprit is slipping. Daily bumps and frequent twitter stalking is erring on the side of creepy even. It's clear you personally have a dislike for Hafu.

If you watched her VOD from before going to WC Finals you would see that she was already in contact about Riot due to your thread and part of the investigation into elo jobbers. The bottom line is they're not going to punish a streamer that a.) has not taken money for elo jobs b.) has not actively raised those accounts for the purpose of elo jobbing c.) will not be punished for account sharing, especially not to suit the whims of a disgruntled stream monster.

Your incriminating, damning, smoking gun evidence of Hafu trying to perform some kind of cover-up is merely the result of Riot's investigators asking her to remove those tweets to prevent people from misconstruing them as her asking for elo jobs.

So, much to your dismay, she's going to go about her stream as usual.


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pooh bear master

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10-16-2012

bump.


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Roflwagon

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10-16-2012

bumping because I'm sick of busting my ass trying to get gold while others just pay for it


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IWinByLosing

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10-16-2012

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If you watched her VOD from before going to WC Finals you would see that she was already in contact about Riot due to your thread and part of the investigation into elo jobbers. The bottom line is they're not going to punish a streamer that a.) has not taken money for elo jobs b.) has not actively raised those accounts for the purpose of elo jobbing c.) will not be punished for account sharing, especially not to suit the whims of a disgruntled stream monster.

Your incriminating, damning, smoking gun evidence of Hafu trying to perform some kind of cover-up is merely the result of Riot's investigators asking her to remove those tweets to prevent people from misconstruing them as her asking for elo jobs.

So, much to your dismay, she's going to go about her stream as usual.
a) She has taken money. They are in the form of donation; it's what pays for all the meals she eats on stream. And after they donated, those donator become moderators for her channel. And those moderators give her their account information to play on as can be seen in the case of Hurious and EvilMaran. And by playing on the accounts, she wins the majority of the games, causing a rise in elo. Rise in elo + paid = elo jobbing.

The account Hurious is now gold at 1575 elo high (currently 1540 elo) with over 80% of the games played and won as Ahri, Hafu's favorite champion. After gold was achieved, no more ranked games were played (for at least 2 weeks). The original owner now only plays Normal games after getting gold. Was that account boosted to free season 2 gold rewards from another person playing on someone else's account? Yes, it was. As a Rioter pointed out, a typical elo job consists of the account being played until a certain elo is achieved (in this case, gold) and then a stop in ranked games. Is this what is seen happening? Yes, it is.

Just in the case of Hosebeast, when she started elo jobbing that account, the stats on Ahri on that account were 0-3. Now it's 22-10. That's a total of 117 elo gain right there (13 elo x 9 wins).

Is that a boost in elo from another player playing on their account? Yes, it is.

Did she ruin the games of those players on the other team at that elo in those games? Yes, she did.

Did she profit from boosting that account? Yes, she did. She gained someone to moderate her stream in exchange for the elo boost.

Heck, you're probably one of the donators/boosted accounts, judging from your defense of Hafu despite the blatant evidence.

b) Also, since when can "freeelo" and "easy gold", which are CLEARLY seen in her twitter responses, not be construed as elo jobbing?

c) A clear violation of the terms of service is still a violation and deserves punishment.

Hafu has friends in Riot. Clearly seen by the lack of Riot responses to the topic, even though I did their job for them. Obviously, it would be in their best interest to tell Hafu to take down the incriminating evidence. That's why I clearly took the pictures of her twitter account before and after she removed the evidence.

Yea, she's going to continue streaming, just like RobertxLee and YangFuShang, but that doesn't mean those accounts she boosted doesn't deserve a punishment as well as her main account.


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Fishous

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10-16-2012

Honestly, there needs to be a formula that constantly fluctuates elo based on the entire population. Only a certain percentage of people should be able to be at any given elo, so that if someone hits a benchmark, they will begin dropping in elo if they don't continue playing as other people do.


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seattlebadboy

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10-16-2012

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a) She has taken money. They are in the form of donation; it's what pays for all the meals she eats on stream. And after they donated, those donator become moderators for her channel. And those moderators give her their account information to play on as can be seen in the case of Hurious and EvilMaran. And by playing on the accounts, she wins the majority of the games, causing a rise in elo. Rise in elo + paid = elo jobbing.

The account Hurious is now gold at 1575 elo high (currently 1540 elo) with over 80% of the games played and won as Ahri, Hafu's favorite champion. After gold was achieved, no more ranked games were played (for at least 2 weeks). The original owner now only plays Normal games after getting gold. Was that account boosted to free season 2 gold rewards from another person playing on someone else's account? Yes, it was. As a Rioter pointed out, a typical elo job consists of the account being played until a certain elo is achieved (in this case, gold) and then a stop in ranked games. Is this what is seen happening? Yes, it is.

Just in the case of Hosebeast, when she started elo jobbing that account, the stats on Ahri on that account were 0-3. Now it's 22-10. That's a total of 117 elo gain right there (13 elo x 9 wins).

Is that a boost in elo from another player playing on their account? Yes, it is.

Did she ruin the games of those players on the other team at that elo in those games? Yes, she did.

Did she profit from boosting that account? Yes, she did. She gained someone to moderate her stream in exchange for the elo boost.

Heck, you're probably one of the donators/boosted accounts, judging from your defense of Hafu despite the blatant evidence.

b) Also, since when can "freeelo" and "easy gold", which are CLEARLY seen in her twitter responses, not be construed as elo jobbing?

c) A clear violation of the terms of service is still a violation and deserves punishment.

Hafu has friends in Riot. Clearly seen by the lack of Riot responses to the topic, even though I did their job for them. Obviously, it would be in their best interest to tell Hafu to take down the incriminating evidence. That's why I clearly took the pictures of her twitter account before and after she removed the evidence.

Yea, she's going to continue streaming, just like RobertxLee and YangFuShang, but that doesn't mean those accounts she boosted doesn't deserve a punishment as well as her main account.
You're trying to insert your own definition of elo jobbing into what the business actually is, as well as what Riot is looking to punish. If Hafu were an elo jobber she would be a very poor one.

Three "jobs", only one of which has gained enough elo for gold. He doesn't care about the reward nor did he want an elo job, he simply wanted to loan Hafu a smurf. Does not fit the outlined profile in Riot's post on elo jobbers.

Hosebeast is nearly unplayed in favor of EvilMaran unless she duos on NA with friends/viewers around that elo. He also doesn't have chat mod. Does not fit the outlined profile of Riot's post on elo jobbers.

EvilMaran, has gained and lost elo, new champs are being played, she doesn't care about the elo of this account. Doesn't even come close to the outlined profile of Riot's post on elo jobbers.

Your accusations that she's taking payments in the form of donations for elo jobs is ridiculous, as is the assumption that donators receive chat mod privileges. She mods mainly to see those who have the mod symbol type. Someone donated $1000 and was outright refused mod privileges. This is a precedent Hafu will not budge on. You cannot donate for chat mod.

How can the terms freeelo and easy gold not be construed as elo jobbing? Well a job is work you get paid for. Free is something you receive without paying. Then there is the existence of a job, which has already been disproved above. So, simply understanding the definitions of the words instead of trying to maliciously harm someone through lies and half-truths is a good start.

These words were incentives because she wanted smurf accounts. That's all she uses them for. To smurf, and learn new roles and expand her knowledge of champions. Riot knows this. That's why she's still featured and unpunished.

As for who I am, if you will notice I am unranked, I play dominion a lot if not lately, and I am just a lurking stream regular that's tired of your blatant Hafu bashing simply because you don't like her and hope to hurt her in some way. Your creepiness level is nearly over the line.