Creative Design AMA - Soraka and Warwick

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Ootarion

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09-26-2012

They upgrade Warwick's appearance soon yes? :3

Love the changes btw to Soraka.


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Youkai Zone

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09-26-2012

Going to have to get used to Warwick drinking a potion to transform himself, rather than Soraka cursing him. Amazing lore though, can't wait to read Singed's new lore.


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SotLTravis

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09-26-2012

This Eserine dude has lost it.


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Omgitsjarrod09

Junior Member

09-26-2012

Omg im going crazy. I want to play as the non fuggles soraka now plz.


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Spidey

Senior Member

09-27-2012

RiotRunaan, I completely disagree with your points on Soraka's lore. Her transformation of Warwick's form to match his inner nature did transform him into a being of greater physical power, but it completely robbed him of his ability to create toxic poisons for Noxus to use in the war. In this way, she STOPS Warwick from continuing to harm her people. If you note, Warwick's lore never mentions him going and hunting Ionian people down, rather he is FORCED to seek refuge in the League's halls because a monster like him would not be accepted amongst humans and would be hunted no matter where he went. Soraka knew what would happen to herself when she did this and knowingly sacrificed her power to protect her people from further harm caused by Warwick.

As for Warwick's lore not focusing enough on himself, that's only somewhat true. Half of it solely focuses on his career as a chemist and the notoriety he gains as a dealer of death. Then, it focuses on Soraka's reaction to Warwick's actions and cuts back to warwick in his lab transforming. While it's true that there is a small chunk of the lore focusing on another champion, why is it a bad thing that there be a large interconnection between the lores of champs? Before they were very large factors in each others stories and had defining factors to their characters that were fitting.

Here, you've simply somewhat connected their stories, rather loosely in my opinion. I say loosely because Soraka's story and Warwick's story are now so incredibly different that I don't feel like they are two perspectives to the same story anymore. Maybe that was your goal, to completely remove that close connection between the stories, but that was something I, as well as many other people, personally enjoyed. I think you're going to greatly displease a lot of people with this lore change and all of the subsequent lore changes you're going to have to make to cover all of the plotholes created by this poor excuse for character lore. This is absolutely reminiscent of the Jayce/Viktor lore fiasco.

I felt the overall story was very well constructed but you are now changing a very integral part to that story. This lore change affects the entire story more than you must have initially estimated. As many other people have pointed out, it isn't just Singed you affect here, it is the majority of the Ionian champs. What you have to understand is that when you create a web of interdependent lore, you can't just decide you want to change a piece of it. It creates so many more problems than fixing whatever nagging self-criticism you had about what you wrote before. What was there was definitely good, you over-thought it in review and made up the issues you noted, it's what writers do to themselves.

Please, I urge you, revert this change as soon as you can. Do not destroy the lore of other champs and restore the previous lore of Soraka and Warwick. I feel their original lore was much better written and weaves a better overall story than what you are attempting to do here.


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ZodiarkSavior

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09-27-2012

Anyways, the lores in comparison:

Soraka (Old)

-Gifted Magician and Healer with command over the stars.
-Gains immortality from ascended knowledge of said stars.
-Sacrifices immortality to turn WW into a jungler.
-No indication for joining the League

Soraka (New)

-Mystical, immortal being the heals the weak; those who seek aid.
-"Hears" the stars and their whispers.
-Molds the stars' power into her own for aid.
-Knows not of any foul human intention. Extremely innocent.
-Befriends WW, and falls for the choreographed plot.
- Loses immortality in the middle, whether or not this was from magical exhaustion, using her power for something other than helping or giving in to mortal emotions is unclear.
- Now mortal, previous personality dilludes at the confrontation of how the world works.
Her goals are the same.
-Joins the League to possibly end harmful wars and bloodshed.

Warwick (Old)

-Badass scientist who worked with Singed for reasons unknown. Warwick, the master, Singed, the apprentice.
-Together they wreak havoc and death upon the Ionian people through chemical warfare.
-Gets cursed into a Werewolf by Soraka
-Joins the League for reasons unknown

Warwick (New)

-A 'Mercenary' of Zaun who specializes in human trafficking for scientific experiments.
-Mercenary work gains much publicity, soon branching from human trafficking into the collection of any ingredient.
-Despises human form, enlists Singed's assistance for creating a potion that turns him into something more feral in order to meet the requirements of his clients more swiftly.
-Gather all ingredients but blood of Soraka.
- Designs a ploy to lure Soraka from her grove, unwary and worried.
- Somewhat successful; he obtains little blood.
- Singed, warns WW about the cautions of the incomplete potion. Singed also states that the Heart Of Soraka would satiate the potion's needs.
- Impatient, WW takes the potion anyways
- WW turns into a werewolf, greatly satisfied his once human limits were breached.
-WW experiences extreme and annoying surged of feral instinct; humanity and sanity slips away
-Wanting to abolish the thoughts, he seeks Soraka to obtain her heart.


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Kiddalee

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09-27-2012

There was nothing as striking to the reader as Warwick's chemical bombing of southern Ionia. It displayed Warwick's horrific character and deeply hurt all Ionians. Removing it makes countless champions' lore innocuous. Why did you take it out?


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Unwilling Fire

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09-27-2012

Guys, one thing that was lost completely after this lore change was the wise aspect of Soraka. She ascended to deity from a human form. How can one do that thing and so easily be deceived by another human? And give up of that deity only because she didn't want him to get hurt.
She was a powerful warrior goddess before, that gave up almost everything she achieved to stop WW cruelty against her people. And now she is a naive adolescent that let her hurt after a betrayal descend her. It's true that WW's power gain curse was unfitting, but now Soraka as a whole character sounds out of place. And, if you may, she seems weaker now than before, not only about her powers, but also about character.


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ZodiarkSavior

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09-27-2012

Warrior Goddess?


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Aramillio

Senior Member

09-27-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by RiotRunaan View Post
We had a discussion based on your feedback about the confusion over whether or not Warwick acquired Soraka's blood--you guys were right, the details are confusing. To clarify, we're going to be changing what Warwick needs to stabilize his transformation: now, he'll need Soraka's heart. Thank you guys for pointing out this inconsistency--our explanation wasn't good enough, and you helped us fix it. : )
Consider, and be careful, also, where he stab's her as well. A stab to the chest could destroy her heart. Being as clever, and as good a hunter as he's supposed to be, Warwick would know that fact for sure. And Singed (being the perfectionist you say he is) would probably let Warwick know if it, in fact, had to be as undamaged as possible

(Not saying it needs to be or is implied to need to be undamaged, but its just a minor thinking point, generally when a heart is claimed, it is supposed to be done with out severely mutilating the organ itself)


Past that, I don't necessarily dislike the new lore. However, it doesnt feel as concise as the old lore. It is the difference between a back story and a good back story.

The new lore could be a great back story, but it feels like a first draft because their isn't enough detail to convey WW's intelligence in his back story. We don't get a conniving plan and a brilliant strategist from WW's Lore, it comes into play in Soraka's but it still feels skimmed because WW is not the focus of that lore, Soraka is.

Take for instance, Rengar and Kah'Zix respective lores. They both tell their own stories but they tie into the same fight. Each has their own defining lore, as well as a defining conflict between the two characters.

In the Soraka/WW duo (new lore), it takes both character's lore to define WW's history and develop him as the clever, conniving beast he is. Where Soraka's backstory is almost exclusively her conflict with WW.

The old lore provides more what Rengar/Kah provides: Two back stories in the first half, and a relationship defining conflict in the second half.


A comparison
Old Lore:

WW lore: Master chemist
Soraka lore: starchild, weilder of great celestial power. above everyone

Conflict: WW is out of control, soraka falls to anger and curses him
relationship: soraka made WW a wolf, WW caused Soraka to fall from the stars's grace

New Lore:
WW lore: master hunter, fails to acquire soraka blood, emphasis on the potion and how its incomplete
Soraka lore: shows full breadth of a scheme by WW not mentioned in his own lore and attributes not fully developed in his own lore. soraka's history ignored (not much to say about her background?)

conflict: ww needs sorakas heart, tricks her, soraka goes on her merry way and ww loses.
relationship. had a run in, but no underlying animosity relayed from soraka


so couple of things, writing that analysis above, it seems like WW's scheme/trap/thing was detailed in soraka's because (no offense) there was nothing better to say about her past than that she is bound to a grove and shes a starchild (lame....)

I think it is possible to keep WW's new lore (with tweeks) and soraka's old lore (with some tweeks)

What if, Singed's potion works awesomely, but instead of enhancing his features, it is more like the Jeckyll/Hyde type potion where he drinks it and becomes a werewolf with all its hunting prowess and brawn for a temporary time, since he does in fact want to retain his brilliance and ability to plan and scheme while human. This is well and good until soraka curses him to be permanent wolf form and his human cunning, scheming side starts to slip away. And he roams around (insert reason for chasing soraka here)

This would round out WW's lore and make him a cunning hunter, schemer, with an awesome mad scientist friend.

Then soraka's lore, instead of cursing him because hes making all these bad potions, she curses him because hes commiting attrocities as this wolf/human monstrosity. When she curses him, his wolf transformation becomes permanent. But because her act of permanently transforming a human (evil or not) is heinous in the eyes of the stars, she in turn is cursed and falls from the stars.



Barring the above, my best suggestion is to focus the potion in singed's, the planning of trap in WW's and the execution of the trap in Soraka's as the conflict section, not her main Lore.