Garen Ultimate makes 0 sense.

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Iliketurtle

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09-14-2012

Its unfierce~


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Hawkhell

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09-14-2012

I agree that Garen's ult should not refresh because of numerous reason. It just doesn't seem right to have a ult magic based on a champ that cannot logically build magic pen.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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09-14-2012

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Well supports are normally AP, but their does doesn't hold that much merit unless its Zyra, or Nid, then you have a popular junglers such as Diana, Nunu, Amumu, Malphite, then you normally have a AP mid. If your AP mid is doing their job you should give people a reason to build MR, same with a jungle AP. Not to mention hybrid damage champions that like to solo top.

Never heard of tanks only building HP for defense.
??? youve never seen a tank build warmogs or giants belt?

Also if you build against midlane youre gonna have a hard time since mages dont typically focus tanks for damage. That sounds like a lot of wasted gold on MR that couldve saved you from the carry when your teamfight initation fails in 2 shots from graves.


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Hawkhell

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09-14-2012

"Never heard of tanks ONLY building HP for defense" ONLY is the magic word. Really important to read every word in a sentence.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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09-14-2012

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"Never heard of tanks ONLY building HP for defense" ONLY is the magic word. Really important to read every word in a sentence.
if its balanced you don't get too much of anything for a good champ of any type to handle especially the one that most needs to be dealt with, the carry, an AD champ along with his offtank AD fighter ally mr spintowin. They don't need to even kill you really, they just need to disable the tank and seize the victory. The ults presence does enough to zone even a tank midfight though he can always just use it on another opponent who is obviously of higher proirity, cuz the tank used a portion of his gold on mr which doesn't stop a powerful AD counterinitiation or initiation.


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Hawkhell

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09-14-2012

You are right building MR is stupid especially if you are a tank.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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09-14-2012

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You are right building MR is stupid especially if you are a tank.
yes, enough MR to make garens ult useless when the only source of magic damage killing your team is easily dealt with by building HP, thus countering the heavy AD damage from their team and the AP champ, is actually quite stupid especially when items that give hp tend to have more potent teamfight utility than those that give MR aside from abysal scepter which gives a bunch of possibly unused utility depending on the team and which tank it is. Especially considering how rare it is that an AP champ is responsible for focusing down tanks. Garen on the otherhand is an AD bruiser with several ways to keep you out of the fight and even a "f*** you" magic ult that gets around all common defensive stats that counter the rest of his kit directly.

But yes, without a very good reason its not wise for a tank to build specifically for the damage type not known to completely dominate the game, the teamfight, and take stuctures down.

edit: and if the tank is building for garens ult then garen is taking away from your tanks teamfight potential against pure ad champs like carries, some assassins, and the very offtanks who kill tanks best aside from a fed carry.


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My Desired Name

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09-14-2012

TBH I think Garen is on the slightly OP side as of right now. Free cleanse and MS steroid every 6 seconds is a bit too much..


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kavinh the third

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09-15-2012

let me guess ur a new player right? having magic damage when the rest of ur kit is physical is a GOOD THING. Mr is more expensive to stack then armor due to the end item builds. how is his damage single target seriously? his trademark is his e which is a massive aoe damage.
That's like you saying that having magic damage is bad because the enemy already has built in MR when if he did then that'd mean he wouldn't have the hp or armor he could've bought with that gold.


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Nea De Penserhir

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09-15-2012

If you ever followed Garen's days in the Basketsword League, you'd understand why he uses this signature ability as his ultimate.